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Hi everyone Im Paul and Im new to the forum.

I am currently researching my Partners family tree. We have found one of her Family, one Walter Deeprose was in the 98th Brgd, 33rd Div, 2 Btn Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders regimental number 278044. He was killed in Action on 20th Nov 1917 and is burried or comemorated at Tyne Cot.

Searching the internet brought me here, as in 2005 he was one of your "remembered today" soldiers.

Im am trying to find out where is unit was fghting on the day he died to see if we can get a more personal feel about how and where he died. How ever all my internet searches are drawing a blank from what I can gather the Paschendale 3rd battle was all but over by the 10th of October 1917 and Tyne Cot seems to be the place where the Paschendale dead are burried. Cambrai kicked off on the 20th of November but is 1 1/5 hours drive on todays roads from Paschendale, so it seems he could have been in either place. Can anyone help shed some light n the where abouts of his unit on 11th November 1917 for me please?

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Paul

Welcome to the forum

I can't shed any light on the whereabouts of the battalion I'm afraid but in case you don't have the information Soldiers Died in the Great War has him born in Dennistoun Lanarkshire, he enlisted in Glasgow and he is listed as having been killed in action

Good luck with you search

Hambo

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He could have been one of the many who died in the "normal" course of trench warfare. Probably the best way to find out his whereabouts would be the battalion war diary.

Neil

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Hi Paul, until an Argyll expert comes along, some general info. 20th November was the day that Haig decided to shut down the fighting at Passchendaele. There had been no fresh assaults launched since the one on 10th November by the Canadians. If he is buried in Tyne Cott, the odds are very high that he was killed in The Salient. Looking in the Official History, the 33rd Div is listed as having 1st Bn, there is no mention of the 2nd Btn. The 1st Btn were involved in resisting a counter attack by the Germans on 25th September. The division suffered heavy casualties. It is possible that he was serving with the 1st Btn. If wounded then, he may have died of wounds in November. On searching further afield, I find 2nd Argylls 33 Div 98th Bgde shown as fighting at the battle of Arras in April 1917. There is no further mention of them. Since the brigade was at 3rd Ypres, I am guessing that 2nd Btn were in support. The 1st are not mentioned until near the end of 2nd Paschendaele coming in as reliefs. As suggested, he may have been a casualty in the day to day ' friction ' of losses due to artillery fire.

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Hambo,

Many thanks for the further information, we already have that but I always feel its good to get something I think I know confirmed.

Niel,

The fact he may have died during `day to day action` has crossed my mind. If I'm right I need to go to London to see a copy of the war diary's, can anyone confirm this for me. We Live in Sheffield but are due to go up to Glasgow soon. The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders regimental museum is in Stirling Castle anyone think they will be able to help up there?

Tom,

Thanks for the additional info. The way I read the history I understood that the Canadians were the last men to be involved in any Major assaults and were later relieved but couldn`t find who relieved them. If he had died at Arras would he have ended up at Tyne Cot? I know he is buried or has a memorial there. There is a listing with reference number on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site. The Idea he may have been attached to 1st Btn is worth remembering during my hunt.

What seems most likley to me at the moment is that he was killed in the Paschendale area maybe away from the main force of 2nd Bt. probably by artillery fire or sniper or the like.

Thanks again everyone for all the replys so far. If anyone has anymore info it will be much appreciated.

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Normally, the OH only mentions a btn. if it was actually in action. Both 1st and 2nd btn seem to have been in the same brigade. The 2nd was mentioned at Arras but not at Passchendaele. You are right about the Canadians. There is a volume of the OH for 1917 which I do not have to hand. It deals with Cambrai. The 2nd Btn may have been there. I do not see him being buried in Tyne Cott if he did not die in the area but, it was a concentration cemetery so it is not impossible. Some of the cemetery buffs will perhaps be able to say if Cambrai casualties were re-interred at Tyne Cott.

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Hi Paul,

The Regimental museum is your best chance as they helped me with a look at a copy of the 1/8th Battalion War Diary ( including maps and orders which are removed from the NA ones) You should make an appointment with the museum so you can get escorted to the museum and avoid the entrance charge.

Museum of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders

Tel: 01786 475165 - Museum Of The Argyll And Sutherland Highlanders, The Castle, Stirling, Stirlingshire, FK8 1EH

Some reading for you before you go.

http://www.naval-military-press.com/FMPro?...et.htm&-new

Aye

Malcolm

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Hi everyone Im Paul and Im new to the forum.

I am currently researching my Partners family tree. We have found one of her Family, one Walter Deeprose was in the 98th Brgd, 33rd Div, 2 Btn Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders regimental number 278044. He was killed in Action on 20th Nov 1917 and is burried or comemorated at Tyne Cot.

Searching the internet brought me here, as in 2005 he was one of your "remembered today" soldiers.

Im am trying to find out where is unit was fghting on the day he died to see if we can get a more personal feel about how and where he died. How ever all my internet searches are drawing a blank from what I can gather the Paschendale 3rd battle was all but over by the 10th of October 1917 and Tyne Cot seems to be the place where the Paschendale dead are burried. Cambrai kicked off on the 20th of November but is 1 1/5 hours drive on todays roads from Paschendale, so it seems he could have been in either place. Can anyone help shed some light n the where abouts of his unit on 11th November 1917 for me please?

Hi Paul,

This is actually a monumentally spooky day! Walter is my great-great-Uncle and I have been trying to do the self same thing as you! I just revisited the site by chance to see if I could get any more info and there you are! Is your partner a Deeprose? I am not, but my maternal Grandmother was his neice - please get in touch and let me know what you have found out. Did you know there was another brother killed in Gallipoli in 1915? This is amazing, I would love to hear from you!!!!

June

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June,

We Scots have to stick together :lol:

If Paul does not respond via this Thread please post a message on here and one of us will pm him to alert him to your query.

George

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