Anthony Bagshaw Posted 29 June , 2007 Share Posted 29 June , 2007 Have a pair of medals to this chap, but have yet to research him. Any ideas of his Battalion from his number? I'm presuming he isn't Territorial, as no 6 digit number, but thats as far i go, i've tried to learn but it goes right over my head. Cheers guys!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Well he isn't the 9th Bn ! Seems a bit weird - I have three which are close ish. 25772 - 9th Bn only 25783 - 16th and 9th Bn 25793 - 9th Bn only No other 257** that I can see in the 9th. 25793 was the 15 year old James Walters and he enlisted on 5 May 1915. (only 49 away from your man.) stevem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brown Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Derby Mercury Friday 28th April 1916. "The Sherwood Foresters casualties from Tuesday's list..." 25744 Sjt F W Trower appeared in a list of wounded but no battalion was given. Three men were listed as killed prior to the wounded in this "Tuesday's list" and, from SDGW, they were all 1st battalion the relative dates being 5th and 6th April 1916. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 30 June , 2007 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Steve, Thanks mate. Stuart, Excellent, thank you. Wounded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Anthony, as you say it's not a TF number. In simple terms it could have been any battalion, but perhaps the more likely are 15th, 16th or 17th. However, if you look at a 257* search on SDGW you'll also see 1st, 2nd, 9th and 11th (as well as a confusing 1/5th!). From proven enlistnment dates those nearby are as follows (year, month, date): 25150 1915, 07, 07 17th Jones S 25305 1916, 01, ?? 15th Davies 25398 1915, 04, ?? 9th Barlow 25544 1915, 04, 20 17th Bennett 25674 1915, 05, ?? 16th Henstock 25908 1915, 05, ?? 9th Smedley 25962 1915, 05, ?? 16th Roddis 26214 1915, 05, ?? 16th Smith 26272 16th Brotherhood 26289 1915, 05, ?? 16th Tudge At least we can be reasonably confident of suggesting an early May 1915 enlistment date. However, Stuart's suggestion of 1st Battalion seems quite sensible. Basically, to answer your question - don't know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brown Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Just for information. These are the "similar" numbers appearing with 25744 Sjt F W Trower as wounded:- 25899 Argyle 20744 Bradley 27696 Brewell 27841 Ellis 26082 Garrett 21066 Goodes 26404 Lineker 27279 Sheppard 26094 Stenson 20011 Widdowson 26782 Wilde 26308 Wilson Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 30 June , 2007 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Andy, Thanks mate. Any idea when he enlisted/was conscipted? Stuart, Thanks, guess the only way to tell is the medal roll?? Thanks for your help with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Thanks mate. Any idea when he enlisted/was conscipted? Yep. The cryptic clue I gave earlier was "At least we can be reasonably confident of suggesting an early May 1915 enlistment date." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 30 June , 2007 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Oh yeh!!! So you did, my eyes must be painted on, my apologies!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 I'll only answer if you promise to cut the 'Dr' bit - it makes me feel old(er) ..........anyway can't add anything useful but here is MIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 by the way, this guy had the same number I'm hoping to get the NA within next 2 weeks - if I do will check up Rolls for you chhers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Hmmm, that's not the first time you've spotted a duplicate number is it Mike? ( Keeps repeating...I love the SF numbering system and intend to understand it one day....I love the SF numbering system and intend to understand it one day....I love the SF numbering sys................) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 30 June , 2007 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 I agree, they do tend to crop up, crop up, crop up.............. In this case is it a 'lost in translation' by the clerk the drew up the MIC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 1 July , 2007 Share Posted 1 July , 2007 I understand the numbering system - its easy. They got a load of numbers put them in a big bag and when the men arrived at the deopt, they drew a number. They then moved to bag two and drew a number for the battalion. To make it more exciting and confuse the enemy, numbers were occasionally duplicated. What do you think (Dr) Briggs stevem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 1 July , 2007 Share Posted 1 July , 2007 Steve, you forgot the cunning bit where they allow a run of numbers in sequence and then reverse them or start a new sequence. I think it's to make us think there is a logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 1 July , 2007 Share Posted 1 July , 2007 ........and of course there are those numbers that don't really exist but are still used to move men from one number that does exist to another number that also exists, but you need a number that doesn't exist to be able to do that I suppose if they had spread sheets back then it would have been much simpler - Bill Gates is to blame for not designing Windows in the 1900's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 1 July , 2007 Share Posted 1 July , 2007 Glad you asked now Anthony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 1 July , 2007 Author Share Posted 1 July , 2007 (edited) Andy, Extremely, i've finally worked it out!! They used the FA Cup draw system for allocating numbers and battalions!!!! Simple when you look at it Number 20571 will play number 8, the 8th Battalion! EDIT: Dont shoot me down in flames, i know that number couldn't be an 8th number!! Although the way we are going, it could well be!!!! Edited 1 July , 2007 by Anthony Bagshaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 1 July , 2007 Share Posted 1 July , 2007 EDIT: Dont shoot me down in flames, i know that number couldn't be an 8th number!! Although the way we are going, it could well be!!!! Bizarrely it could be! Shouldn't, but could! Pick a number, any number, times it by 7........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 1 July , 2007 Author Share Posted 1 July , 2007 Bizarrely it could be! Shouldn't, but could! Pick a number, any number, times it by 7........ I give up, i really do!!! What were they thinking of, they should have known we would be trying to work them out. How rude of them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 19 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 19 July , 2008 Mike has sent me the medal roll for Frederick, he was 16th. Andy was on the right track. Thanks Guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 19 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 19 July , 2008 Just out of interest searched the Pension Records on Ancestry, 11 Pages!!!!!!!!!! Had a flick through, he was from Ilkeston and discharged due to Trench Foot. All of his service, wounds, camps etc are listed, they are fabulous! They've been there all along EDIT: It gets better, he was attached to the 53rd YS Battalion, the same as my Great Grandad and was dicharged on 19th February 1919, the same as my Great Grandad. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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