Regulus 1 Posted 15 April , 2007 Share Posted 15 April , 2007 Hi, Can anyone here on the forum help me out with a German trench map of this Ypres area ? This concerning the 3rd Ypres battle for an article I'm preparing. I have the British version, but I'm looking for the German one now, which should mention the following locations normally : Frezenberg - Lindenhof (Wida V 66) - Schwabenhof - Brandenberg (actually to us known as Bremen Redoubt) You can also mail me directly at regulusone@skynet.be Thanks and best from Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mebu Posted 19 April , 2007 Share Posted 19 April , 2007 Johan, there is another tread running which has a German map of Bremen Redoubt, should answer your query, Regards, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regulus 1 Posted 19 April , 2007 Author Share Posted 19 April , 2007 Peter, Thank you very much for pointing me to this map. Unfortunately I'm also looking for the part to the left of it that's just next to it... Do you have it ? The real Frezenberg area. Best from johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mebu Posted 21 April , 2007 Share Posted 21 April , 2007 Johan, is this what you want? there is also a bit to the left showing front line and Verlorenhoek, but I cannot scan larger than A4 and it may be too big for this post anyway, Regards, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mebu Posted 21 April , 2007 Share Posted 21 April , 2007 As that seemed to work, here's the other half, showing front line. This is black and white copy: I have the original, in blue and red ink, hand drawn.....but, sadly....it was such a nice map, I framed it and hung it on my study wall. Next time I looked the ink had faded and I now have an almost blank sheet of German paper........obviously the ink was not fast, I have framed British maps and they hold their colour...Regards, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mebu Posted 21 April , 2007 Share Posted 21 April , 2007 PS you'll find Wida V66 next to the railway line, other side of Swabenhof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regulus 1 Posted 22 April , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 April , 2007 Peter ! Yes ! This is exactly what I was looking for ! Thank you very, very much ! Best from Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhill Posted 23 April , 2007 Share Posted 23 April , 2007 I hate to derail this very informative thread, but I have been following this one and the "Bremen Redoubt" thread with some little confusion. Your discussion has finally cleared things up a bit for me, but in case any other folks are as confused as I was, let me elucidate: 1. I had been assuming all along that you were talking about BREMEN HOUSE, which was a much discussed fortification in the Zonnebeke area. This is mentioned, for example, in all the war diaries and operational orders of the Canadian operations in October - November, 1917. 2. Unfortunately, you are actually talking about another dugout system a bit to the east. This later was constructed somewhat later and so is not referenced in the October - November documents. 3. BREMEN HOUSE, it seems, was called Brandenburg by the Germans. This was done, perhaps, purely to confuse later generations! :-)) 4. BREMEN HOUSE was at location D.26.a.8.5. (or D.26.a.7.4. by some units!). The following is a descriptive entry in the 3rd November, 1917 War Diary of the 4th Canadian Field Ambulance. I am still willing to be corrected if I have still got it all wrong. 4th Canadian Field Ambulance 3rd November, 1917 . . . BREMEN HOUSE is a large reinforced concrete structure about 90. feet long by 20 feet wide, about 1/2 mile up the road further than FROST HOUSE. Built on the same plan as the usual Pill Box, i.e. with very heavy head cover (5 to 6 ft of reinforced concrete), the main part of the structure being underground, this place had the additional features, of having two entrances and was of sufficient height inside to allow one to stand with comfort. There is however no shelter over the doorway. In addition to its use as a Medical Post, the Artillery and Signals are quartered here. It is one of the most unhealthy spots on the front, being accurately registered by the Germans who built it, and constantly under heavy shell fire. Due to this it was very soon found inadviseable to use the place for anything but a collecting post for local casualties. At first Ambulance Cars were run the whole way up to BREMEN, but by this evening the roads were so badly torn up with shells that bit was not possible for cars to come up; and cases had to be "packed" down to FROST HOUSE. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henschke Posted 23 April , 2007 Share Posted 23 April , 2007 Isn't the discussion about this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhill Posted 23 April , 2007 Share Posted 23 April , 2007 Ouch. Now I am getting a headache. It is time for me to stand back and wait for the experts to sort it out. I cannot find anything up to the end of 1917 called the "Bremmen Redoubt" (although I may not be looking in the right place. This is a snip from the 1st Cdn. Tunnelling Coy. which is part of the works in the Zonnebeke area, and which was what I thought was roundabout where we were talking. It seems definitly not BREMEN HOUSE though, despite being right in the area! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regulus 1 Posted 1 May , 2007 Author Share Posted 1 May , 2007 BTW, does anyone know which German unit was defending this area on the 20th September 1917 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henschke Posted 2 May , 2007 Share Posted 2 May , 2007 77 RIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regulus 1 Posted 2 May , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2007 Now this was really fast ! Thank you very much Chris ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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