Mark Crame Posted 10 March , 2007 Share Posted 10 March , 2007 Going through my Great Grandfathers stuff again, I noticed an inscription on the back of a photograph reading 'Yours sincerely E Lawrence'. The photograph is a studio of a 2nd Lieutenant with 2 medal ribbons. I'd never come up with anything before but have finally tracked him down (I think) via the MIC's. My Great Grandfather was a 16th Lancer, and this Captain Lawrence was also a 16th Lancer. Both were Sergeants. Perhaps, Edward, you are now in from the cold and remembered. Name: LAWRENCE, EDWARD Initials: E Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Captain Regiment/Service: Northumberland Fusiliers Unit Text: 10th Bn. attd. 1st Bn. Date of Death: 28/03/1918 Awards: MC, DCM Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 2 and 3. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL Medal card of Lawrence, E Corps Regiment No Rank Lancers 302 Serjeant Northumberland Fusiliers Acting Captain Northumberland Fusiliers Captain Medal card of Lawrence, E Corps Regiment No Rank Lancers 302 Serjeant Mentioned in Dispatches - 8th October 1914 Military Medal - ? Distinguished Conduct Medal - ? I'd appreciate if somebody could please do me a lookup on SDGW, and anything else you might have to hand. CWGC and MIC's have been searched for the above, and some London Gazette. Anyone know how to find what you want on there?! What are the ribbons and buttons please, any ideas? Back of the postcard reads: Riders Studio, 11 Jewry Street, Winchester in case it's relevant. many thanks in advance, mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 10 March , 2007 Share Posted 10 March , 2007 He's in ODGW, but this adds nothing to what you outline above, except 'killed in action'. ODGW does not record birthplace, enlistment or residence details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjab612 Posted 10 March , 2007 Share Posted 10 March , 2007 Hello Mark ODGW has him as Lt (A/Captn) in 10th Bn NF with no mention of attachment to 1st Also has MC and DCM There are also a couple of mentions of him in the Regimental History of the 1st and 2dn Bns which I will put in a separate posting. Peter Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Crame Posted 10 March , 2007 Author Share Posted 10 March , 2007 Hello Mark ODGW has him as Lt (A/Captn) in 10th Bn NF with no mention of attachment to 1st Also has MC and DCM There are also a couple of mentions of him in the Regimental History of the 1st and 2dn Bns which I will put in a separate posting. Peter Peter Thanks a lot Punjab, that'd be a great help. Thanks again Andrew, yu're a good bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 10 March , 2007 Share Posted 10 March , 2007 Mention in Despatches, note surname spelt Laurence. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType= and here http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhclark Posted 10 March , 2007 Share Posted 10 March , 2007 I still cannot find his DCM citation, either under Lawrence or Laurence. Is it me or is it the London Gazette? Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjab612 Posted 10 March , 2007 Share Posted 10 March , 2007 Mark Some more on Edward Lawrence The despatch of 8th October 1914, which covered the Aisne mentions a Serjeant E. Laurence (sic) of the 16th Lancers. From Regimental History of 1st/2nd Bns 'The Fifth in The Great War' p 198 This, then was the situation at the nightfall on 20th March, when the 9th Brigade was disposed as follows: the FIFTH were in occupation of the !st System. With "Y" Company (Captain Carrrick) and "Z" Company (Captain Chipper) holding the right and left of the front and support lines, and "W" (Lieutenant Allen) and "X"(Captain E Lawrence) in "Concrete Reserve; the 4/Royal Fusiliers……………………………….. p 206 (28th March) When the bombardment opened on the front line it was at first confined to the trenches of the 76th Infantry Brigade. But, spreading rapidly from left to right of the British line, it was not long before it reached "X" Company of the FIFTH, and almost immediately crashed on that of "W" Company. The fire of numerous trench mortars was included, and the infantry in the partially dug tenches of the front line could find scant protection from the bombardment, which continued with unabated fury for 1½ hours. Then, at 5.30 a.m., the German infantry, advancing in dense masses, delivered a determined attack. Opposite the 9th Brigade they were driven back with heavy loss by rifle and Lewis gun fire, butthey succeeded in penetrating the front of the 76th Brigade, immediately on the left of the FIFTH. The situation of "C" Company was now critical. Its commander, Captain Lawrence, and his second-in-command, Lieutenant Rose, had been killed and the casualties caused among other reanks by the bombardment had been terribly heavy……………….. P..211 Officers killed Captain E Lawrence M.C., D.C.M p.213 So far as can be ascertained , the following officers were present with the 1st Battallion during the period 21-28th March :- "X" Company Captain E Lawrence (Commanding) I could send you a scan of the whole chapter and relevant maps by PM or e-mail if you want, let me know. Do you know when he transferred from the Lancers to the NF? If so let me know as I have the 1st Bn NF war diaries for 1914 to June 1916 and the regimental journals for 1914 to 1917 and could have a browse through those as well. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Crame Posted 11 March , 2007 Author Share Posted 11 March , 2007 Yeah, I blanked on his DCM citation - I presume MC is like the MM as in no citation? Would be handy to find the date of the MC though. Isn't there a book on the DCM that lists them? Did you search under both regiments? I don't know which unit he was with when he got them. Damned site is so good, but works so badly! Still, to be fair, it is searchable, available and free. Peter - smashing stuff, thank you! No need to send maps/chapter, I have the action of his death now and that is more than I could have hoped for. Mind you, if you know the vicinity it would be very much appreciated. Anything you find in the diary/journals would also be great but no need to spend too much time on it (unless you want to of course!). Would you like the pic emailed over at a higher res for your own research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjab612 Posted 11 March , 2007 Share Posted 11 March , 2007 Mind you, if you know the vicinity it would be very much appreciated. Anything you find in the diary/journals would also be great but no need to spend too much time on it (unless you want to of course!). Would you like the pic emailed over at a higher res for your own research? Mark In this action 'X' coy were about 2,000 yds east of Arras-Bapaume Road NE of St Martin The picture yiou posted is fine for my purposes. Will keep a watchful eye out for Lawrence in my trawls through war diary and regimental journals and will keep you posted Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Crame Posted 11 March , 2007 Author Share Posted 11 March , 2007 Mark In this action 'X' coy were about 2,000 yds east of Arras-Bapaume Road NE of St Martin The picture yiou posted is fine for my purposes. Will keep a watchful eye out for Lawrence in my trawls through war diary and regimental journals and will keep you posted Peter Cheers Peter. Now to track down them pesky medal citations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 12 March , 2007 Share Posted 12 March , 2007 Yeah, I blanked on his DCM citation - I presume MC is like the MM as in no citation? Would be handy to find the date of the MC though. Isn't there a book on the DCM that lists them? Did you search under both regiments? I don't know which unit he was with when he got them. Damned site is so good, but works so badly! Still, to be fair, it is searchable, available and free. Peter - smashing stuff, thank you! No need to send maps/chapter, I have the action of his death now and that is more than I could have hoped for. Mind you, if you know the vicinity it would be very much appreciated. Anything you find in the diary/journals would also be great but no need to spend too much time on it (unless you want to of course!). Would you like the pic emailed over at a higher res for your own research? MC citations depend on the gazette issue. If it's a New Year or Birthday Honour then there won't be a citation. If it's any other time, there usually is a citation. For both MC and DCM, where there is a citation there is also an annotated copy on file at Kew which details the date and place of the action, in WO 389 for the MC and WO 391 for the DCM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 12 March , 2007 Share Posted 12 March , 2007 I've posted the MC citation on another Topic: Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Crame Posted 12 March , 2007 Author Share Posted 12 March , 2007 I've posted the MC citation on another Topic: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...mp;#entry642578 Steve. Fantastic, thanks Stebie! Eeeeh, you're a great bunch of lads, thank you one and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lawrence Posted 8 May , 2014 Share Posted 8 May , 2014 I was very interested to find this thread whilst googling Captain Edward Lawrence for my son's school project. Captain Edward Lawrence is my husband's Great Uncle, and we have his medals on display in our home. It was very interesting reading, but it was sad that the photo had been removed from the thread. If you could somehow post the photo online again, that would be great! Kind Regards, Mrs Julie Lawrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Crame Posted 8 May , 2014 Author Share Posted 8 May , 2014 Here he is. Great to find a family member to share this with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 8 May , 2014 Share Posted 8 May , 2014 If you are still seeking the D.C.M. citation for Sjt. 302 E. Lawrence, 16th Lancers, this is the Edinburgh Gazette version. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/12815/page/810 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lawrence Posted 8 May , 2014 Share Posted 8 May , 2014 Thank you Harry for the recent post, I have printed it out. Julie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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