Aurel Sercu Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 Another one from Iain's grandfather's correction ... At the back it says : "HMS Iron Duke ?" (with the question mark) But Iain has reason to believe this is not the Iron Duke (because of the one funnel). Question : if not indeed, then what ship can this be ? Anybody any idea ? Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Parker Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 Aurel I believe it is the Iron Duke. There is a second funnel immediately behind the Bridge See attached Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 8 December , 2003 Author Share Posted 8 December , 2003 Geoff, After seeing a few photos on the internet (Google) and your reply, I think I agree. But I'm sure Iain will take over as soon as he gets on the Forum. (Right now he must be somewhere between Poperinge and Mons. Unless he has become homesick for Talbot House and returned...) Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 The ship shown has four gun turrets and a second mast aft, Iron Duke had five turrets ( one central ) and no second mast. Possibly Queen Elizabeth, Warspite, Valiant, Barham or Malaya. Aye Malcolm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hussar Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 Hi All, Just to throw in my two penn'orth. I think it may be HMS CANADA. Malcolm, if you look closely, there does appear to be a central turret and, abaft the forrard funnel there is, what appears to be, a RAS/Stump Mast which Queen Elizabeths didn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooter Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 Greetings All! This is a tricky one. I'm inclined to think it is Iron Duke (or a sister, Marlborough, Benbow, Emperor of India). The picture below shows a similar mast arrangment to the original picture, and the relative heights of the forward funnel and superstructure seem about right. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 Look at the top of the bow. The first pic is a bit 'pointier' at the top - just like Hussar's photo of HMS Canada..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hussar Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 Chris, The problem, again, is the RAS/Stump mast. With the 'Dukes' the mast is forrard of the aft funnel but this one's mast is abaft the forrard funnel. Sorry teapots, I've just noticed that this reply shouldn't have been to you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Seymour Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 HMS Canada. See p. 51 Jane's Fighting Ships 1919. The location of the searchlight platforms, the thickness of the second funnel, the bridge structures and the mast platforms make this quite clear. Regards, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 Hi All, Just to throw in my two penn'orth. I think it may be HMS CANADA. Malcolm, if you look closely, there does appear to be a central turret and, abaft the forrard funnel there is, what appears to be, a RAS/Stump Mast which Queen Elizabeths didn't have. I'm inclined to agree. Aye Malcolm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 It certainly looks like HMS Canada when compared. Aye Malcolm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain mchenry Posted 9 December , 2003 Share Posted 9 December , 2003 Hi Chaps, Thanks for your help in this one. The original photo is a tiny one and only after looking at some of the replies that you have given I have now spotted the second funnel, and yes Hussar, that does look like a central turret. It wasnt till Aurel Kindly scanned this photo onto the forum that I noticed the forward turrut on tghe ship I thought the forward turret was the raised one behind the forward one!! Thanks for all your help guys. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Bachelor Posted 10 December , 2003 Share Posted 10 December , 2003 A golden opportunity was missed in 1959 when Almirante Latorre (ex-HMS Canada), the last British Dreadnought to have served at Jutland, was towed to the breakers. She survived in more or less original condition after her re-sale to Chile in 1920. How sad that all that remains of the Dreadnought era are the two 15" guns outside the IWM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Seymour Posted 10 December , 2003 Share Posted 10 December , 2003 Horace, Sad indeed. How many Dreadnoughts might have been saved? What else was available at such a late date? Goeben was offered for sale in 1966. USS Texas survives. Is she the only one? Regards, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Bachelor Posted 12 December , 2003 Share Posted 12 December , 2003 David, I think you're right. Texas is the only Great War US Dreadnought to survive although 6 from WWII are preserved plus Iowa which I believe is still in reserve. Obviously Americans have a more enlightened approach when it comes to preserving their heritage than us. I forgot about Goeben / Yavuz. I believe she wasn't broken up until the 70's. How on earth did that one slip through the net? Cheers, Rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Seymour Posted 12 December , 2003 Share Posted 12 December , 2003 Horace, Erich Groner,German Warships 1815 - 1945 Volume 1 Major Vessels, London, 1990 (English edition) says that Goeben/Yavuz was retained as a museum ship in Turkey and broken up in 1976. Siegfried Breyer,Battleships and Battle Cruisers 1905 - 1970, London, 1973 (English edition) says that an offer was made to repurchase her by the Federal Government of Germany in 1963 but this was rejected. She was offered for sale in 1966. Regards, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWills Posted 12 December , 2003 Share Posted 12 December , 2003 Das Taschenbuch der Kriegsflotten 1915 gibt dieser bilden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWills Posted 12 December , 2003 Share Posted 12 December , 2003 Und ein andere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Bachelor Posted 14 December , 2003 Share Posted 14 December , 2003 Martin Definately Canada and NOT Iron Duke, no question. Cheers Rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWills Posted 14 December , 2003 Share Posted 14 December , 2003 HMS Canada (und ein zweited schiff) aus der 1915 Taschenbuch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Seymour Posted 16 December , 2003 Share Posted 16 December , 2003 Martin, Interesting pictures. Is this the German Jane's? Regards, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul guthrie Posted 17 December , 2003 Share Posted 17 December , 2003 Were the 15s at Bedlam ( IWM ) on dreadnoughts? All I knew is they were on monitors but I suppose that was a later use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Seymour Posted 17 December , 2003 Share Posted 17 December , 2003 Yes. Different ships, one being an R class - if I remember correctly! Someone's bound to know exactly! That's the beauty of this Forum. Regards, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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