tonyblackpool Posted 16 February , 2007 Share Posted 16 February , 2007 what do the stripe and bar represent , i know his ship the hms prins albert lsi[small]was rewarded the dsc,and the dso, in ww2, and what regiment was the groom in? regards tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMurphy Posted 16 February , 2007 Share Posted 16 February , 2007 In the current(ish) unifrom, the chevron represents four years service. The qualifying period may have changed since WWI. His rank would normally be above the stripe, hence in its absence would be less than a Leading Seaman. His rate badge is on the right arm which is obscured. I can't pick the ribbon bar either at that res. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyblackpool Posted 16 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2007 In the current(ish) unifrom, the chevron represents four years service. The qualifying period may have changed since WWI. His rank would normally be above the stripe, hence in its absence would be less than a Leading Seaman. His rate badge is on the right arm which is obscured. I can't pick the ribbon bar either at that res. Dave hi dave its my uncle i have his records he was a able seaman went in 1939 till 1946 i have a photo of him with a bosons whistle , in peace time is it a petty officer who would be a boson and a different rule in war time? and what is the stripe on is left arm for ? its just i am putting all his photos and records on dvd and cd along with his ships , just trying to get it all correct ,cheers tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benson Posted 16 February , 2007 Share Posted 16 February , 2007 Hi Tony The Bosuns Call (whistle) was worn by the duty 'quartermaster' part of the gangway staff who assisted the chief of the watch who in turn run things for the officer of the watch. A lot of lads wore them for photographs, the chain loops look a lot nicer than a white lanyard Dave. Give my regards to B'pool (Ex Fleetwood Lad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMurphy Posted 17 February , 2007 Share Posted 17 February , 2007 hi dave its my uncle i have his records he was a able seaman went in 1939 till 1946 i have a photo of him with a bosons whistle , in peace time is it a petty officer who would be a boson and a different rule in war time? and what is the stripe on is left arm for ? its just i am putting all his photos and records on dvd and cd along with his ships , just trying to get it all correct ,cheers tony The stripe (chevron) on his left arm indicates between four and eight years service. The lack of a rank badge (fouled anchor for leading seaman, crossed anchors for petty officer) above the stripe ties in with Able Seaman as you have it. I don't think there would have been a different rule during war. So I would agree with the other Dave in that he was probably just wearing a 'bosun's call' as part of his Quatermaster duties or just for show in the photo you have! You can't really tell what his rate was unless you have a photo of his right arm or his records. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyblackpool Posted 17 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2007 The stripe (chevron) on his left arm indicates between four and eight years service. The lack of a rank badge (fouled anchor for leading seaman, crossed anchors for petty officer) above the stripe ties in with Able Seaman as you have it. I don't think there would have been a different rule during war. So I would agree with the other Dave in that he was probably just wearing a 'bosun's call' as part of his Quatermaster duties or just for show in the photo you have! You can't really tell what his rate was unless you have a photo of his right arm or his records. Dave cheers dave and fleetwood dave it makes life easy when one understands thanks again, tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_harvey Posted 21 February , 2007 Share Posted 21 February , 2007 the bar could poss be a 39-45 star ribbon? are you sure he was awarded the dsc and dso as they were only issued to officers, could he have got the dsm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyblackpool Posted 21 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 21 February , 2007 the bar could poss be a 39-45 star ribbon? are you sure he was awarded the dsc and dso as they were only issued to officers, could he have got the dsm? hi james ,no it was the ship that won the awards i was told a couple of years ago that the crew put there names in a hat to see who would receive it , info from a surviving crew member dont know for what medal,, i have only just found his medals ,1939-45 star,atlantic star, africa star ,italy star,defence ,and war medal 1939-45, i know his ship the hms prins albert was in Burma they landed troops Rangoon and kayak Pugh do you know what was required to win the Burma star ? regards tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_harvey Posted 22 February , 2007 Share Posted 22 February , 2007 Hi Tony One days service in a qualifying area. To gain the atlantic you had to do six months in a theatre to qualify for the 39-45 star and then a futher 6 months to qualify for the atlantic. to qualify for the defence medal was 3 years home service, or 6 months over seas service whilst under fire in an area not covered by any campaign star. Africa and italy were also 1 day in the area, did he qualify for the clasp for the africa star? and did he also get the france and germany clasp for the atlantic star? If you write to the MOD they will still have his service details, with all his ships he served in, if you need help just PM me. I can also give you an address to check his medal entitlement in case the clasps were lost or another medal was misplaced. Kind Regards James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyblackpool Posted 22 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 February , 2007 Hi Tony One days service in a qualifying area. To gain the atlantic you had to do six months in a theatre to qualify for the 39-45 star and then a futher 6 months to qualify for the atlantic. to qualify for the defence medal was 3 years home service, or 6 months over seas service whilst under fire in an area not covered by any campaign star. Africa and italy were also 1 day in the area, did he qualify for the clasp for the africa star? and did he also get the france and germany clasp for the atlantic star? If you write to the MOD they will still have his service details, with all his ships he served in, if you need help just PM me. I can also give you an address to check his medal entitlement in case the clasps were lost or another medal was misplaced. Kind Regards James hi james, thanks for the info it seems billy was back in the uk in jan 8 1945 the prins albert went into rangoon in may 1945, so no burma star, at europa march 1945 he was a seaman [ps] on his records do you know what seaman [ps] stands for.regards tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_harvey Posted 22 February , 2007 Share Posted 22 February , 2007 possible patrol service. HMS Europa was the royal Navy Patrol service headquaters, they were in charge of mine sweeping and anti submarine, if you have a cope of his service record could you email it over to me and i'll take a look at the ships and or shore establishments and see if i can find out anything for you. what was his full number did it start LT/JX********? Kind Regards James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyblackpool Posted 22 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 February , 2007 possible patrol service. HMS Europa was the royal Navy Patrol service headquaters, they were in charge of mine sweeping and anti submarine, if you have a cope of his service record could you email it over to me and i'll take a look at the ships and or shore establishments and see if i can find out anything for you. what was his full number did it start LT/JX********? Kind Regards James hi james, i have emailed part of records, his number was jx192749 lowstoft, portsmouth was crossed out on a christmas greeting 1943 his address was w f rodaway ab p/5x192759 hms prins albert , he only had the one ship i think. tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_harvey Posted 22 February , 2007 Share Posted 22 February , 2007 Hi Tony Just got them, He served on 2 ships. The first when he was under the portsmouth Port division and that was HMS Prins Albert. The 2nd was when he transfered to the Lowerstoft Port division and joined the RNPS, you can goolge royal navy patrol service or Harry Tates Navy loads of info out there. Whilst serving at Boscowen he was serving in Porhen or something similar, when i get home tonight i will dig out my reference books and find out for you. Hence why he has (PS) after his rank. A very nice group. He didn't have a little badge with th emedals? if you google royal navy patrol service badge you will find a copy of it. It was awarded for 6 months active minesweeping. I hope this helps James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyblackpool Posted 22 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 February , 2007 Hi Tony Just got them, He served on 2 ships. The first when he was under the portsmouth Port division and that was HMS Prins Albert. The 2nd was when he transfered to the Lowerstoft Port division and joined the RNPS, you can goolge royal navy patrol service or Harry Tates Navy loads of info out there. Whilst serving at Boscowen he was serving in Porhen or something similar, when i get home tonight i will dig out my reference books and find out for you. Hence why he has (PS) after his rank. A very nice group. He didn't have a little badge with th emedals? if you google royal navy patrol service badge you will find a copy of it. It was awarded for 6 months active minesweeping. I hope this helps James cheers james, on looking again i can see porchen in brackets never new it was a ship,its dated 8th march 45 to 8th sep then 9th sep to 13 th nov from something broke.tv same ship, cannot understand why he would be transfered after all that time on the prins albert.great news anyway, tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_harvey Posted 22 February , 2007 Share Posted 22 February , 2007 His 2 ships were HMS Prins Albert which was a landing ship HMS Porcher this was a trawler. His Bases were Royal Arthur Skegness TE former butlins camp Ganges former boys training camp taken over for the war to train men based at shotley ipswich Victory portsmouth barracks Boscowen Portland base for A/S and M/S Excellent whale islasnd TE portsmouth Europa sparrows nest at lowestoft Pembroke IV chatham accounting base I hope this helps. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyblackpool Posted 23 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 23 February , 2007 His 2 ships were HMS Prins Albert which was a landing ship HMS Porcher this was a trawler. His Bases were Royal Arthur Skegness TE former butlins camp Ganges former boys training camp taken over for the war to train men based at shotley ipswich Victory portsmouth barracks Boscowen Portland base for A/S and M/S Excellent whale islasnd TE portsmouth Europa sparrows nest at lowestoft Pembroke IV chatham accounting base I hope this helps. James cheers james, great news, i still cannot understand why he left the prins albert after 3years on her ,was there any sort of ruling on time spent on a ship? regards tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 23 February , 2007 Share Posted 23 February , 2007 Ratings rarely spent their whole career on one ship. They often changed regularly; historically they signed on for a 'commission' and that would only be for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyblackpool Posted 23 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 23 February , 2007 Ratings rarely spent their whole career on one ship. They often changed regularly; historically they signed on for a 'commission' and that would only be for a few years. cheers and thanks for the info, tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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