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rugbyremembers

He was 2/Lt at Hazebrouck 13/4/18 when taken POW. Apparently was at Stralsund camp on the Baltic.

Of seven officers taken prisoner on that unlucky 13th, he was the only one repatriated before the Armistice (23/10), which may imply he escaped. I cannot imagine being South African allowed him special pleading!

krgds

Stephen

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Coldstreamer

would suggest to me he was wounded or ill .

Millar was demobbed 22.10.19


according to the regimental history he was on a draft to the 3rd btn 15th April 1918 which makes no sense given his pow date - i think it was really between the 5th and the 8th

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rugbyremembers

He was quite severely wounded in the Boer war, which makes his rugby career remarkable. So arguably that may have caused him -ill-health while prisoner, or as you say a second wound.

Born 1884 so 34 by 1918, by no means old, so late draft interesting.

rgds

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rugbyremembers

I have also found a post made in 2006 to another Coldstreamers forum (unanswered) from an American who has his Colt revolver taken as a trophy by a GI in WW2. It is engraved with his name and Bn. This was presumably originally taken by a German as a trophy on 13 April 1918. Intriguing that it pops up again in 1945.

Sadly the trail by email to the USA has gone cold as the email address no longer works - it was 9 years ago.

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Coldstreamer

if you find a picture of Millar let me know please as dont have this one

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David_Underdown

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rugbyremembers

David,

As always you are a miracle of information and the Red Cross card gives the detail. Tucked away is his birth at Bedford . That's Bedford, Eastern Province, SA!

Coldstreamer, a photo in rugby days can be seen here http://www.rugbyrelics.com/Museum/exhibits/Thumbographs.htm#MILLAR It's a commercial site

Thanks to both

Stephen

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Coldstreamer

cheers - thats one less!

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jaymacel

Hi On my Great Uncle Bejamin MacLeman's ( No 8549 )service record it states he was wounded at Vermelles on the 26 Oct 1915 and died the same day at West Riding Clearing Station. I have looked at the War Diary for that date and all that is mentioned is that they were preparing for a visit from the King. Were they fighting that day or would have been shell fire, any ideas?

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Coldstreamer

Does it elaborate on the wounds ? I take it the papers come from the guards archives ? You could also try to find where this CCS was

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Swisstony25

Hi

 

I am trying to find information on my relative. Info I have is as follows, if anyone has any further info or if I am really lucky and photos would really appreciate help. Trying to get as much info for elderly Uncle.

 

Name: Wiliiam George Robinson

Regiment: 2nd battalion Coldstream Guards

Rank: Private

Service No.: 12360

Died: 14.09.16 - 16.09.16 near Ginchy (maybe battle of Morval or Lesbeoufs)

 

Hoping someone can help, would really appreciate it.

 

Cheers,

 

Tony

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clk

Hi Tony,

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

You should be able to get a copy of what survives of Williams service record from the regimental archive -see here on how to apply. 

 

I presume that from what you posted, you have access to Ancestry, and that the date range for his death came from his Soldiers Effects record. In the absence of a service record, what it tells you is that a War Gratuity of £11 10s was paid. Using the work that Forum Pal Craig has done on understanding the scheme, his eligible war service counted from the outbreak of the war in August 1914 - though by number sampling his 12360 number would appear to date from September/October 1914. His Medal Rolls indicate that he first arrived in theatre on 17th March 1915. His Soldiers Died record is here

 

The war diary for the 2nd Battalion is available from the National Archives in two parts - see here. It will also be on Ancestry - search page here. For additional contextual detail it would be worth considering looking at the brigade and division HQ diaries.

 

On the concentration report in his CWGC record it says that his body was exhumed from map reference 57c.T.14.c.0.8 before being reburied at his current resting place. His original burial is likely to be much nearer to where he originally fell. Advice on reading trench map co-ordinates is here. This link should open up on square T.14, which by using the slider you can see how it fits into the modern landscape.

 

Good advice on researching soldiers is here

 

Hopefully a Coldstream Guards specialist will pick up on your post, and follow on later.

 

Good luck in your research.

 

Regards

Chris

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Swisstony25

Hi Chris,

 

thanks for the info. I will start looking.

 

If there are any Coldstream experts who might also be able to assist. Would love to try and find a photo (if possible).

 

Cheers,

 

Tony

Edited by Swisstony25

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Derek Black
4 hours ago, Swisstony25 said:

 Would love to try and find a photo (if possible).


Your best bet would be local newspapers.

 

Try the British Newspaper Archive.

 

Cheers,

Derek.

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Swisstony25
3 minutes ago, Derek Black said:


Your best bet would be local newspapers.

 

Try the British Newspaper Archive.

 

Cheers,

Derek.

Thanks for the advice Derek.

 

Cheers,

 

Tony

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Swisstony25

Still hoping a Coldstream guard specialist can provide more information and maybe a photo. Tried newspaper archives without luck. 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Tony

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Coldstreamer

number suggests joined 13th or 14th September 1914

 

Joyce Pte 12357 SWB  9/13/2014
Burton Pte 12358   
Suckling Pte 12362 SWB  9/14/2014
Butler Pte 12364 SWB  9/14/2014

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Swisstony25
4 hours ago, Coldstreamer said:

number suggests joined 13th or 14th September 1914

 

Joyce Pte 12357 SWB  9/13/2014
Burton Pte 12358   
Suckling Pte 12362 SWB  9/14/2014
Butler Pte 12364 SWB  9/14/2014

Hi Coldstreamer,

 

any ideas where I might be able to locate a photograph? Would there have been one on his service records?

 

Thanks,

 

Tony

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Swisstony25

If anyone can help I am also looking for George William Robinson's brothers info who was also in the Coldstream guards, not sure which division though. His details were:

 

George Ernest Robinson

Born: Birmingham, Warwickshire 1895

Regiment No. 10827

 

If anyone can help with his information also, would really appreciate your help.

 

Thanks,

 

Tony

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clk

Hi Tony,

 

George has service papers on Findmypast - here

 

4.8.1914 - attested Reserve Battalion

8.8.1914 - joined at Caterham

3.2.1915 - posted 1st Battalion

3.2.1915 to 7.3.1916 - served BEF

8.1.1916 - "G.S.Wound. L. Hand (Self inflicted   negligent)  In the field".  Admitted 9 CCS  

14.1.1916 - sentenced to 42 days Field Punishment No. 1

15.2.1916 - admitted 2 Canadian General Hospital, Le Treport. "GSWd Thumb. L."

7.3.1916 - transferred to England on SS Cambria. "GSWd Hand. L."

8.3.1916 - posted 5th Battalion at Windsor

29.4.1916 - posted Command Depot

28.6.1916 - posted 5th Battalion

12.10.1916 - discharged*

 

Regards

Chris

 

Edit: *permanently unfit

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Swisstony25
10 minutes ago, clk said:

Hi Tony,

 

George has service papers on Findmypast - here

 

4.8.1914 - attested Reserve Battalion

8.8.1914 - joined at Caterham

3.2.1915 - posted 1st Battalion

3.2.1915 to 7.3.1916 - served BEF

8.1.1916 - "G.S.Wound. L. Hand (Self inflicted   negligent)  In the field".  Admitted 9 CCS  

14.1.1916 - sentenced to 42 days Field Punishment No. 1

15.2.1916 - admitted 2 Canadian General Hospital, Le Treport. "GSWd Thumb. L."

7.3.1916 - transferred to England on SS Cambria. "GSWd Hand. L."

8.3.1916 - posted 5th Battalion at Windsor

29.4.1916 - posted Command Depot

28.6.1916 - posted 5th Battalion

12.10.1916 - discharged*

 

Regards

Chris

 

Edit: *permanently unfit

Thanks Chris.

 

cheers,

 

Tony

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Coldstreamer
On ‎10‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 21:31, Swisstony25 said:

Hi Coldstreamer,

 

any ideas where I might be able to locate a photograph? Would there have been one on his service records?

 

Thanks,

 

Tony

 

there are often found in the papers at Regimental HQ in London

 

leave this with me

 

Ian

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