Hett65 Posted 8 January , 2007 Share Posted 8 January , 2007 William Embleton was Bomb. 166977 Royal Garrison Artillery. On his Army Form Z18 it is recorded that he served with the RGA No 1 S.A.R. Brigade as a 1st class gunlayer. I have checked my books and I am unable to trace what S.A.R. stands for, can anyone assist. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essdee Posted 9 January , 2007 Share Posted 9 January , 2007 John South African Reserve Brigade ? There was a South African Heavy Artillery Reserve, SAHAR. I wonder whether or not SAR is an abbreviation of this. There are some previous threads on SAHAR Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hett65 Posted 10 January , 2007 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2007 Stuart Thanks for that, yes I thought it was possibly something to do with South African Reserve, I sometimes wish with unusual abbreviations like this that they would write in the full title. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahoehler Posted 4 February , 2007 Share Posted 4 February , 2007 . . . . South African Reserve . . . . . There was a South African Heavy Artillery Reserve Brigade but the then 5 batteries had been renumbered in November 1915 from Nos 1 to 5 at the formation in August 1915 to Northern & Central South African Siege Brigade (Old 2nd Brigade) (ROSE) No 71 [3rd] (Transvaal) Siege Battery No 72 [4th] (Central & Diamond [Fields]) (Griqualand West) Siege Battery No 75 [5th] (Natal) Siege Battery (originally unbrigaded) Cape Province South African Siege Brigade (Old 1st Brigade) (PEACOCK) No 73 [1st] (Cape Peninsula) Siege Battery No 74 [2nd] Eastern [Cape] & Port Elizabeth) Siege Battery 125th [6th Transvaal] – 3rd April 1916 The last batteries were (courtesy of EssDee) 496th (SA) Siege Battery ( 4 * 6” Howitzers ) – 5th September 1917 497th (SA) Siege Battery ( 4 * 6” Howitzers ) – 5th September 1917 542nd (SA) Siege Battery ( 4 * 6” Howitzers ) – F & F 21st May 1918 552nd (SA) Siege Battery ( 6 * 8” Howitzers ) – Oct 1918 But the infamous HAG system changed the brigade system and the numbers . . . Carl Hoehler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 27 July , 2013 Share Posted 27 July , 2013 Just bouncing this back up, as the question has come up in another thread today, and I have no idea what it means either. Is it South African Reserve? Doesn't seem right to me somehow. (t'other thread: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=197348&hl= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinrowlinson Posted 27 July , 2013 Share Posted 27 July , 2013 Siege Artillery Reserve Brigade. Just in case someone picks this thread up in the future. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 27 July , 2013 Share Posted 27 July , 2013 Thanks Kevin. Thought it wasn't right somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin thyla Posted 10 March Share Posted 10 March (edited) Hi Gents, Sorry to intrude like the elephant in the china-store, all of above assumptions are wrong. SAR was a well-established abbrev. for SA Railways & H(arbour). If you venture into the SAR (&H) history, they occupied like a "para"military section, providing men in WW1. If you look at military records (e.g., Albert Marr, 3rdSAI), JB Kruger 74th SB) you will notice that their pre- and post war occupations were at or with the SAR, i.e., South African Railways https://www.theheritageportal.co.za/article/history-sarh-magazine-1905-1930 Sincerely, Benjamin Thyla. Edited 10 March by benjamin thyla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 10 March Share Posted 10 March (edited) On 10/03/2024 at 13:50, benjamin thyla said: Hi Gents, Sorry to intrude like the elephant in the china-store, all of above assumptions are wrong. SAR was a well-established abbrev. for SA Railways & H(arbour). If you venture into the SAR (&H) history, they occupied like a "para"military section, providing men in WW1. If you look at military records (e.g., Albert Marr, 3rdSAI), JB Kruger 74th SB) you will notice that their pre- and post war occupations were at or with the SAR, i.e., South African Railways https://www.theheritageportal.co.za/article/history-sarh-magazine-1905-1930 Sincerely, Benjamin Thyla. I believe @kevinrowlinson has correctly identified it as - No.1 Siege Artillery Reserve Brigade. - Formerly B Depot Siege Artillery. Bexhill. Edited 11 March by GWF1967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin thyla Posted 11 March Share Posted 11 March Good afternoon, Cannot find any SAR abbrev. standing for Siege Artillery Reserve... Sorry. Sincerely, Benjamin https://cdn.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/records/abbreviations-in-world-war-one-medal-index-cards-unit.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 11 March Share Posted 11 March 29 minutes ago, benjamin thyla said: Good afternoon, Cannot find any SAR abbrev. standing for Siege Artillery Reserve... Sorry. Sincerely, Benjamin https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=97b389584c57d150JmltdHM9MTcxMDExNTIwMCZpZ3VpZD0zYTRiNWI1Ny03ZDBlLTYxYzktMGIxYS01NjRhN2M0ZTYwMTMmaW5zaWQ9NTIxNQ&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=3a4b5b57-7d0e-61c9-0b1a-564a7c4e6013&psq=long+long+trail+artillery+depot&u=a1aHR0cDovL3d3dy5sb25nbG9uZ3RyYWlsLmNvLnVrL2FybXkvcmVnaW1lbnRzLWFuZC1jb3Jwcy90aGUtcm95YWwtYXJ0aWxsZXJ5LWluLXRoZS1maXJzdC13b3JsZC13YXIvcm95YWwtYXJ0aWxsZXJ5LWRlcG90cy10cmFpbmluZy1hbmQtaG9tZS1kZWZlbmNlLXVuaXRzLw&ntb=1 The link above should work - It should take you to The Long Long Trail - Artillery Depots, where you will find - B. Depot Siege Artillery, Bexhill, became No.1 Siege Artillery Reserve Brigade in 1917. The man in the OP - 166977 William Embleton has surviving service papers showing he was a Police Constable from Ashington, Northumberland. On 21/10/1917 he is shown as being posted to No.1 Depot Siege Artillery. Additionally his Protection Certificate has his unit listed as 1. S.A. Res Bde. R.G.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin thyla Posted 11 March Share Posted 11 March Yes, you are right with regards to this niche-query. But the point I was trying to make, from a "reductionist-hierarchical" approach, is that what you (or "Kevin") performed, is a needle-in-a-haystack research, a quite or quasi impossible mission for any amateur-historian or would-be historiographer. What I wanted to say (or state) = WW1 records, narratives, whatever "plus" SA(R) abbrev. = South African. Not Siege Artillery... I am a medical professional; in my branche SA is not Siege Artillery either, it = Sinoatrial. In other words, the pacemaker of the heart and a pyramidal "top" word in cardiology, available with a 10-fold of added letters and figures. Be my guest, ask any nurse you know what SA stands for: she won't answer you Siege Artillery. Good evening, Benjamin https://www.rxlist.com/sa_node/definition.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hett65 Posted 14 March Author Share Posted 14 March Just realised this enquiry has come back on the forum. I endorsed my records of Embleton as Siege Artillery Reserve after Kevin's post on 27th July 2013. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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