john jerome mcmanus Posted 2 December , 2006 Share Posted 2 December , 2006 G'day cobbers, can anyone tell me the convoy number of the ships (including HMAT Medic A7) that departed Sydney on 30/12/15? Thanks Pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonmate Posted 3 December , 2006 Share Posted 3 December , 2006 Pop Reading your AWM site it suggests that the 2nd Convoy assembled at Albany WA on 28 Dec and sailed on 31 Dec. That list (16 vessels from HMAT A29 to A44,excluding numbers A41 and A43,plus NZ 13 to 15,plus submarine AE2 towed by mv Perrima A35) didn't include the HMAT MEDIC(A7) though. These ships arrived from several other ports for the Convoy,including Sydney and Melbourne. I had connectivity problems during my reading last night and wil try again today to finish what was a very interesting read ! If there is more I will get back to you. I realised that there were 29 convoys in all over that War period,some of them only small units,not very often escorted either,so it may also be possible that MEDIC was part of another convoy assembly already, before the 2nd one sailed. Best wishes Sotonmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 4 December , 2006 Share Posted 4 December , 2006 Hi Pop & Sotonmate The 2nd convoy sailed in Dec 1914, not Dec 1915. Although the Embarkation Roll shows the troops of the 12th Reinforcements embarking on the Medic on the 30/12/1915 - checking Ross Mallet's website - it shows it didn't actually depart Sydney until 7/1/1916. And Pop - checking your Pop's records (ie McManus 3892) - that date is also shown in places, as well as the 30th Dec - sounds like it may have been delayed for some reason. According to the following there were no convoys from Aus after early 1915: The Oxford Companion to Aust. Military Hist. P.180 Convoys “………….. while the third – and final – convoy, which arrived in March [1915, Egypt], had no escort at all. For the remainder of the First World War troopships traveled from Australia alone, without the need of convoys or escorting warships.” Sotonmate - which section on the AWM website were you reading that listed 29 convoys? Ross Mallet's website: http://www.unsw.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/index.html Cheers, Frev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonmate Posted 4 December , 2006 Share Posted 4 December , 2006 Frev http://www.awm.gov.uk/cms_images/histories...chapters/13.pdf details,on page 414,that actually 27 convoys were despatched: "For the next two years transports were despatched,sometimes in groups,sometimes singly as they became ready,without naval escort of any kind. They were,however,for official purposes,grouped as "convoys" and the records show that 27 of these convoys left Australia in the two years,carrying nearly 253,000 troops and nearly 25,000 horses" Thanks for the reference to Mr Mallett's website,just what I needed to bone up on the history. Best wishes Sotonmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonmate Posted 4 December , 2006 Share Posted 4 December , 2006 Frev Sorry,I have a fixation on .uk ! Try: http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/histories...chapters/13.pdf Sotonmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 5 December , 2006 Share Posted 5 December , 2006 Ta Sotonmate I should have realised you were reading the Official Histories - mind you it was pumpkin hour here when I made my post - and my brain was practically in sleep mode. Thanks for reminding me about them - I'm going to print the chapter out now & read it properly. Cheers, Frev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 6 December , 2006 Share Posted 6 December , 2006 Hi again Pop Following is some more info you might find interesting, that was passed onto me from a friend: The HMAT A7 "Medic" sailed from Sydney on Friday 7/1/1916 and had on board - 2nd Battalion, 12th Reinforcements, Regimental No's. 3078 to 4024. Approx 3 Officers and 300 ORs. 3rd Battalion, 12th Reinforcements, No's 3676 to 4108. Approx 3 Officers and 300 OR's. 4th Battalion 12th Reinforcements No's 3678 to 4118. Approx 3 Officers and 300OR's. Sailed to Adelaide picking up the 27th Battalion, 7th Reinforcements, No's 3000 to 3358, Approx 3 Officers and 300 OR's. Sailed 12/1/1916. Docked at Fremantle, taking onboard 28th Battalion, 7th Reinforcements. No's 3000 to 3339. Approx 3 Officers and 300 OR's. Sailed 18/1/1916. So didn't actually leave Australia's shores till the 18th Jan. Cheers, Frev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john jerome mcmanus Posted 9 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 9 December , 2006 g'day Frev and all others who replied to my request. Thanks very much for your input but sadly you may have quashed my hope that Pop may have been entitled to a 1914-15 Star if the Medic had departed before the beginning of 1916! Can you tell me whereabouts on Mallet's web site I can find reference to the delay in departure? Thanks again one and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 11 December , 2006 Share Posted 11 December , 2006 Pop If you scroll down the left hand window to 'Part B - Branches' - under the heading 'Infantry', click sub-heading Infantry Battalions. Then in the right hand window, scroll down to 2nd Battalion. This will show you all departures of the various ships carrying the various reinforcements. Cheers, Frev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john jerome mcmanus Posted 17 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 December , 2006 Frev, thanks again for your reply. Can you tell me where your friend got his info on troop numbers and departures? Thanks Pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 17 December , 2006 Share Posted 17 December , 2006 Pop - it comes from a document called "1st AIF Unit Index and Embarkation Detail". That's all that I can tell you about it for the moment - will let you know as soon as I find out more - Frev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyf Posted 7 January , 2007 Share Posted 7 January , 2007 If you go to the Australian War Memorial website and click on the Embarkation Rolls you can find out who left where, when and on what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john jerome mcmanus Posted 13 January , 2007 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2007 If you go to the Australian War Memorial website and click on the Embarkation Rolls you can find out who left where, when and on what Thanks mate have a copy of this but have difficulty with departure date. Was it 30/12/15 or 7/1/16? there seems to be conflicting info regards cobber Pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyf Posted 20 June , 2007 Share Posted 20 June , 2007 Tregarthen lists this convoy as No.15. Incidenrally he lists 44 convoys by number. He shows that A7 Medic left Sydney 7.1.16, Adelaide 12.1.16 & Fremantle 18.1.16. However the embarkation rolls show Sydney 30.12.15. Could it be that the last date refers to an embarkation datre and 7.1.16 a departure date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john jerome mcmanus Posted 23 June , 2007 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2007 Tregarthen lists this convoy as No.15. Incidenrally he lists 44 convoys by number. He shows that A7 Medic left Sydney 7.1.16, Adelaide 12.1.16 & Fremantle 18.1.16. However the embarkation rolls show Sydney 30.12.15. Could it be that the last date refers to an embarkation datre and 7.1.16 a departure date. Tonyf after all this time I appreciate your response to my initial request! Forgive me, however, who or what is Tregarthen? Regards POP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 24 June , 2007 Share Posted 24 June , 2007 Pop - I've recently managed to get my hands on a copy of this wonderful document that Tony mentions. "Sea Transport of the AIF" - prepared in Naval Transport Branch by Greville Tregarthen. Cheers, Frev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john jerome mcmanus Posted 24 June , 2007 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2007 Pop - I've recently managed to get my hands on a copy of this wonderful document that Tony mentions. "Sea Transport of the AIF" - prepared in Naval Transport Branch by Greville Tregarthen. Cheers, Frev Frev, how do I get a copy or access this? Pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 25 June , 2007 Share Posted 25 June , 2007 Mate, Even if the ship had left Sydney in Dec 1915 he would still have no entitlement to the the 1914-1915 Star as he would have to be in a warlike area during the dates listed on the awarding. The dates for its awarding "All who saw service in any threate of war agaist the Central powers between 5th Aug 1914 and 31st Dec 1915, except those eligible for the 1914 star. It was not awarded to those who passed through a threate of war." Saddly your relation falls outside these dates. S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john jerome mcmanus Posted 25 June , 2007 Author Share Posted 25 June , 2007 Mate, Even if the ship had left Sydney in Dec 1915 he would still have no entitlement to the the 1914-1915 Star as he would have to be in a warlike area during the dates listed on the awarding. The dates for its awarding "All who saw service in any threate of war agaist the Central powers between 5th Aug 1914 and 31st Dec 1915, except those eligible for the 1914 star. It was not awarded to those who passed through a threate of war." Saddly your relation falls outside these dates. S.B SB thanks for your response. I have realised the entitlement since I first posted this topic - I was a bit green at the time Regards Pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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