Terence Munson Posted 24 November , 2006 Share Posted 24 November , 2006 Hi, Can anyone tell me what the following are issued for: RV2, S.a 1851, T.S. 1405, E.S. 1231, T.S. 1270, Cheers Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 24 November , 2006 Share Posted 24 November , 2006 Terry, None ring a bell, can you put them in contex and I'll try and find them in the books. Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Munson Posted 24 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2006 Terry, None ring a bell, can you put them in contex and I'll try and find them in the books. Regards Charles Hello Charles, Thanks and apologies for the lack of clarity, I'm trying to make some sense of scribbled notes from BT 377/1 A - B, made just before closing time on a recent visit to the NA Kew! ie: Black, Alexander born Buckie 1885. Cert RV2 allocated. S.a 1851. The T.S. 1405 and E.s. 1231 are from entries for other seamen named Black. T.S.1270 is from a RNR entry in the Navy List(1943) for Rank Skr G.B. Orsborne (Act) (Medina) 1st Sept '42. (Not strictly GWF but I thought the T.S.1270 might be from his RN service in 1914-18) Cheers Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 26 November , 2006 Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Terry, I am assuming.... that these numbers are the numbers on the Register for Royal Naval Reserve (Trawler Section) SA. Second Hand TS. Trimmer ES. Engineman Not sure about RV2. Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Munson Posted 26 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Charles - Thanks for looking - Yes I think they probably were RNR(T) but I'm not sure about the TS 1270 in the Navy List(1942) entry - if its the right man he was a Trawler Skipper at age 21 (c1924/5). Thanks again - for more small pieces to fit into the puzzle. Meanwhile I'm waiting for some photo copying from the NA that might help! Cheers Terry and a rare chance for this smilie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 26 November , 2006 Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Look up 'T.S. 1405, S.A 1851 and E.S. 1231 ' in BT 377/7 they sound like service numbers to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 26 November , 2006 Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Terry, It is possible your man was a Trimmer in the RNR(T) the number seems quite early though. "if its the right man he was a Trawler Skipper at age 21 (c1924/5)" Where did he sail from and have you got his Ticket Number? Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Munson Posted 26 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Charles, I don't have his ticket number yet but will have soon I hope. He is George Black Orsborne, sailed out of Grimsby, three of his commands were: 'Lord Darling' - 'Osaka' - and 'Girl Pat' Master's certificate in 1925, extra masters certificate in 1926. He supposed to have served in the Dover Patrol in 1917/18 aged 14! Cheers Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 27 November , 2006 Share Posted 27 November , 2006 Terry, I have instances of youngsters serving at the age of 14 so not out of the frame, he could be an apprentice, which is likley as he was a Skipper young. I also have records of Boy Scouts joining ships of the Auxiliary Patrol as signalers because they knew Morse Code and Semaphore. But no George Osbourne Im afraid. Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Munson Posted 27 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 27 November , 2006 Charles - I've a good deal of information about Orsborne - I'm just trying to sort out fact from fiction from all that is written by him and others. His name is just one of the problems - often spelt Osborne or Orsbourne but he was in fact christened George Black and only took the name Orsborn(e), with the 'e' added to be known as George Black Orsborne, ('Dod' by owners and fishermen in Grimsby!) after his mother married J. A. Orsborn in 1917. His father George Black senior was allegedly lost at Gallipoli some time before this. Apart from his RN service in WW1 most of his story is off topic but if you have anything on him perhaps you could PM me and I can do the same if you want more info. Cheers Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 1 December , 2006 Share Posted 1 December , 2006 Terry, RV2 is the Identity Certificate. Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Munson Posted 1 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 1 December , 2006 Thanks again Charles - I've had an email from the archivist at fleetairarm.com who has located the service records for some of those I'm researching, so fingers crossed I'll have more info. soon. Cheers Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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