eileen Posted 25 September , 2006 Share Posted 25 September , 2006 okay got this card anybody tell me what it means all double dutch to me regards eileen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 25 September , 2006 Share Posted 25 September , 2006 Basically: John T HUGILL RE (Royal Engineers) 43581 (Service Number) Spr (Sapper - lowest rank in RE - equivalent to a Private) L/Cpl (means he was later a Lance Corporal) Victory Medal British War Medal 15 Star These are the usual three medals dished out for overseas service. The long numbers etc. after that are the reference to the actual medal rolls held at Kew (which MIGHT give a little more info.) Trans Z AR- means his transfer to the Army Reserve (AR) on discharge as class "Z" (the usual one). Often you'll find his date of entry into overseas theatre a bit lower down on the card. A search of The Long Long Trail and of the forum will give you a large number of posts on interpreting these cards and you'll find most questions have been asked and answered somewhere before. In fact, there's a whole section of the forum devoted to interpreting these cards. Hope this helps. Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eileen Posted 25 September , 2006 Author Share Posted 25 September , 2006 thank you eileen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 25 September , 2006 Share Posted 25 September , 2006 The X with dots around it next to "Victory" and "L/Cpl" is like an asterisk linking these two together. It means that the Victory medal will have been inscribed with his rank as L/Cpl. The other two will probably have been inscribed with his rank as Sapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 25 September , 2006 Share Posted 25 September , 2006 Victory Medal British War Medal 15 Star These are the usual three medals dished out for overseas service. OUCH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 25 September , 2006 Share Posted 25 September , 2006 Just mindful of my Grandfather who always said, when asked, that they "came up with the rations"! No offence intended!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eileen Posted 25 September , 2006 Author Share Posted 25 September , 2006 Just mindful of my Grandfather who always said, when asked, that they "came up with the rations"! No offence intended!! well we know our place ,researching family tree most of my lot ag labs but where would we have been without ag labs etc to fighting in the wars for us. regards eileen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 27 September , 2006 Share Posted 27 September , 2006 The Victory and British War Medals were issued together and usually have the same information on them, so in this case should both be to lance corporal. The 14/15 Star trio is only usual if someone entered a designated zone in the qualifying period. Millions only got the Victory and British War Medals. Those meeting the requirements got the 1914 Star trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 27 September , 2006 Share Posted 27 September , 2006 "came up with the rations"! Even the transporters of the rations suffered huge casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eileen Posted 27 September , 2006 Author Share Posted 27 September , 2006 Even the transporters of the rations suffered huge casualties. thank you everyone for your help grandad is still a bit of a puzzle the medal card says 1914-1915 but from photos and other bits of info he was still in the war (army) much later than those dates. so i am still confused would you have two medal cards have i got the right john temple hugill ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 27 September , 2006 Share Posted 27 September , 2006 'the medal card says 1914-1915' that is idetifying him as someone who qualified for the 1914-15 Star, not as someone whose service ended then. The campaign medals are described on the Long Long Trail (the main site). Have you been to Kew, looked at the medal roll and checked that the middle initial stands for Temple? Those rolls usually have the names in full. The only way of knowing that you have the right man is if you are lucky enough to find his service records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eileen Posted 28 September , 2006 Author Share Posted 28 September , 2006 'the medal card says 1914-1915' that is idetifying him as someone who qualified for the 1914-15 Star, not as someone whose service ended then. The campaign medals are described on the Long Long Trail (the main site). Have you been to Kew, looked at the medal roll and checked that the middle initial stands for Temple? Those rolls usually have the names in full. The only way of knowing that you have the right man is if you are lucky enough to find his service records. thank you all my research is done on line so it looks like a dead end thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPotter Posted 28 September , 2006 Share Posted 28 September , 2006 Just a quick observation. The later rank could easily be interpreted as 2/Cpl i.e. Second Corporal, which was a possibility for the Engineers. The medal roll itself will clarify as that will have been typed and there can be no confusion. Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eileen Posted 28 September , 2006 Author Share Posted 28 September , 2006 Just a quick observation. The later rank could easily be interpreted as 2/Cpl i.e. Second Corporal, which was a possibility for the Engineers. The medal roll itself will clarify as that will have been typed and there can be no confusion. Regards Steve thank you this medal roll is kew only i suppose, as i do all my research on line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 28 September , 2006 Share Posted 28 September , 2006 Yes, the rolls are at Kew. Don't be shy about asking people on here if they could do a simple lookup for you, though. I'd offer myself, but my recent visit is the last I'll be able to do for a couple of months. Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trin1054 Posted 29 September , 2006 Share Posted 29 September , 2006 You can get the people at Kew to copy the medal roll entries you are interested in and then view them on-line. You first have to request an estimate via this page. I got electronic copies of Victory Medal, British War Medal, and Silver War Badge entries for £11 in total. All you need to do is fill in the details that you want with the WO reference for what you want. Sorry - don't know much about these but someone on this forum pointed me in the right direction. They'll be WO329/???. Good luck, Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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