horatio2 Posted 2 August , 2006 Share Posted 2 August , 2006 Does any naval expert have information on HMS PARTRIDGE II, please? I am aware of HMS PARTRIDGE (sunk) but what ship took her name later in the war? It is possible she was RNR-manned and may, therefore, have been a merchant ship taken into RN service. H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spithead Posted 2 August , 2006 Share Posted 2 August , 2006 H2 Are you refering to the HMS Partridge sunk in WW2 18/12/42. HMS Partridge in WW1 was an Armed Boarding Vessel, requisitioned by the Admiralty 1914-20, renamed HMS Partridge 11 from 1916. Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 2 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 2 August , 2006 Oops. Confusing my wars, I think, John. Disregard the sinking bit! Thank you for that detail. I am interested to know if there was an HMS PARTRIDGE earlier in WW1 - or else why was this ship called PARTRIDGE II, and what was her name before that? Do you have any information as to the size/configuration/complement of PARTRIDGE II (she sounds small-ish) and any details of her pre-RN career? Do you know where she was employed/based? Grateful for any info - my wife's G Uncle was 1st Lieutenant from Feb 1918 for a couple of months but I have no further information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spithead Posted 2 August , 2006 Share Posted 2 August , 2006 Hi H2 I think this will answer your questions Regards John Partridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kin47 Posted 2 August , 2006 Share Posted 2 August , 2006 Hello There was a destroyer PARTRIDGE lost on 12 Dec 17. The requistioned merchant ship was renamed PARTRIDGE II to make the name PARTRIDGE available for the destroyer, launched on 4 March 1916. All best don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lörscher Posted 3 August , 2006 Share Posted 3 August , 2006 H2, I can add, that PARTRIDGE II served in the mediterranean in 1917 and 1918, doing escort work there with local convoys and even H.E. and O.E. convoys. She had an hand in sinking U 64 on 17.06.1918 (together with Sloop LYNCHIS), so it could be, that your wife's G Uncle was on board during that incident !? Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 3 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 3 August , 2006 Thank you, Oliver. I am fairly sure that he had left the ship before the June 1918 incident with U.64 but at least I now have some idea of her employment. H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John84 Posted 24 December , 2006 Share Posted 24 December , 2006 Very interesting to read the info on HMS PARTRIDGE II. One of my local lads James Leonard Metcalfe was serving onboard her in 1918. On the absent voters list for 1918 he was a Royal Marine. Thanks John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardinia6 Posted 25 August , 2014 Share Posted 25 August , 2014 My grandfather was the Paymaster Lieutenant in HMS Partridge II based in Malta, I think 1917-18. I have several 'snaps' that he took and a couple of large photos - 1 of the Wardroom and another of the ship's company. I also have his walking stick - silver handled and engraved "To H G PARTRIDGE II" and "FROM H R WAR MATRON" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest patmyhill Posted 5 January , 2015 Share Posted 5 January , 2015 Sardinia 6 I'd love to see your photos of the crew. Certainly during 1917 and into 1918 HMS Partridge II was commanded by Norman Lillia who was brought up in a house we own and has a fascinating life story. I'm hoping your photos include him. Norman Lillia served his time before the mast on clippers doing the China run. He went on to captain windjammers, the last and largest of the great sailing ships, later going on to serve in the Royal Navy during World War I. His life reads like a 'Boys Own Comic' adventure story. The above is an extract from the Stein page of www.the-captains-house.co.uk, where he was brought up and which is named after Norman and his father, Captain Carl Lillia Earlier in WWI Norman commanded HMS Collingwood A, a merchant ship mocked up to represent the real Collingwood. It was beached in the Dardanelles and presumably he then went on to command Partridge II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbill Posted 5 January , 2015 Share Posted 5 January , 2015 Oliver Lorscher kindly gave me the following information re PARTRIDGE 11 when she was involved in an attack on a convoy 17.06.1918:- 1635h U64 attacked convoy MANITOU (Atlantic Transport Line) and KANDY with sloop LYCHNIS and armed boarding steamer PARTRIDGE 11. 1650h U64 missed MANITOU with one torpedo, MANITOU tried to ram sub's periscope. 1652h U64 torpedoed KANDY, ship reached Bizerta. 1655h U64 damaged by depth charges from LYCHNIS. 1700h U64 broke surface and was rammed by PARTRIDGE 11, dived again. 1714h U64 surfaced, engaged in gunfight with LYCHNIS and PARTRIDGE 11, finally sank 1715h 5 survivors and 38 dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardinia6 Posted 10 July , 2016 Share Posted 10 July , 2016 For Patmyhill I have not opened this sight for some time and have now read your request. I am in UK at present but normally live in New Zealand. I will be home early October and can scan the two photos that I mentioned earlier. Not sure if allowed but my e-address is graham.oriordan@gmail.com. Let me know your address and I'll do the needful later in the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 10 July , 2016 Share Posted 10 July , 2016 The poster Patmyhill has not been back here since Jan. 2015. You could try a PM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardinia6 Posted 8 August , 2016 Share Posted 8 August , 2016 Sorry, not very good at this! What do you mean by 'try a PM' please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 8 August , 2016 Share Posted 8 August , 2016 Find the members post and click on the name You should see an option ' message me' or similar. PM is Personal Message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix C Posted 8 October , 2023 Share Posted 8 October , 2023 (edited) Was HMS Partridge II torpedoed at any time in her career? Based on Lloyd's List Law Reports, Volume 1 p. 418 I think it was the Dec.1917 collision with the steamer Lome. A page of images from an album that originally belonged Paymaster Lieutenant Herbert (Bertie) Henry Glasspool (R. N. V. R). Page titled "Cairo and Tewfik 1917". Photographs titled "The mark of a torpedo" with the caption of the above photo also readable ("H. M. S. Partridge II in Dry Dock"). Edited 8 October , 2023 by Felix C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix C Posted 8 October , 2023 Share Posted 8 October , 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix C Posted 8 October , 2023 Share Posted 8 October , 2023 HH Glasspool WWI RNVR Partridge II in the Island of Malta's Grand Harbour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 9 October , 2023 Share Posted 9 October , 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Felix C said: Was HMS Partridge II torpedoed at any time in her career? Based on Lloyd's List Law Reports, Volume 1 p. 418 I think it was the Dec.1917 collision with the steamer Lome. A page of images from an album that originally belonged Paymaster Lieutenant Herbert (Bertie) Henry Glasspool (R. N. V. R). Page titled "Cairo and Tewfik 1917". Photographs titled "The mark of a torpedo" with the caption of the above photo also readable ("H. M. S. Partridge II in Dry Dock"). Paymaster Glasspool was first appointed to the fleet messenger(*) PARTRIDGE II (based in the Mediterranean) in March 1918. He was still under training in UK during 1917, so its unlikely that he took any photographs of the ship in drydock in Egypt in that particular year. Most likely the dates have been mixed-up, and the damage is from an incident occuring in 1918 (possibly damage incurred during the ramming of U-64?). His personal photo album is held by Tauranga City Library. MB Edit - Originally built to carry mail and passengers between Scotland and Northern Ireland - when requisitioned for the war, the ship was initially used as an Armed Boarding Steamer in home waters, then got sent out to the Med and was a fleet messenger sailing between Marseilles and Malta, and finally ended up as a convoy escort. Edited 9 October , 2023 by KizmeRD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 9 October , 2023 Share Posted 9 October , 2023 Note - According to his service sheet ADM-240-77-57, Glaspool was RNR not RNVR. I’ve researched a good number of Tempy Paymasters and (although not professional seafarers) it appears that many were indeed RNR. Glasspool’s civilian occupation had been a statistical clerk which evidently made him suitable for employment as a Paymaster. MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix C Posted 10 October , 2023 Share Posted 10 October , 2023 Tauranga City Libraries Staff conflated both in his bio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 10 October , 2023 Share Posted 10 October , 2023 There was obviously a separation in time between when the photos were taken and when they got placed into a photographic album and annotated - hence an opportunity to get small details muddled up. According to Frank Bowen in the Corporation of Lloyd’s ‘History of the Royal Naval Reserve’ by January, 1918, the Admiralty had granted 782 temporary commissions as Assistant Paymaster R.N.R., (exclusive of commissions granted to the pursers of ships taken over as fleet auxiliaries, &c.). Paymasters in what was officially known as the Accounting Branch were largely recruited from men with experience of banking or accountancy. Glasspool has ‘statistical clerk’ listed as his civilian profession (and had previous been in the army). His role onboard would have been to be in charge of ship’s correspondence, provisions & stores, and of course making payments to the crew. MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 10 October , 2023 (edited) Paymasters RNR greatly out-numbered Paymasters RNVR to judge by the medal roll records for the ranks of Assistant Paymaster/PaymasterSub Lt, Paymaster/Paymaster Lt and Staff Paymaster/Paymaster Lt Cdr. (the latter ranks w.e.f. March 1918.) The RNR roll names 1,600+ Paymasters. The RNVR roll has 500+ Paymasters. Glasspool's medals were issued in the rank of Paymaster Sub Lieutenant RNR. Edited 10 October , 2023 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 10 October , 2023 (edited) On 09/10/2023 at 07:17, KizmeRD said: Paymaster Glasspool was first appointed to the fleet messenger(*) PARTRIDGE II (based in the Mediterranean) in March 1918. PARTRIDGE II was re-commissioned in February 1918 when a new 1st Lt was appointed. Edited 10 October , 2023 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 10 October , 2023 Share Posted 10 October , 2023 So perhaps the ship was still in drydock having repair work done (following the collision incident with ss Lome) when Glasspool joined. The photo in the album could perhaps have been taken during first quarter of 1918 (rather than 1917). MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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