Saints & Sinners Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 During some recent work in my garden I dug up along with numerous coins a BWM (Disc only) to the following: 12687DA J.R. SHEADER 2 HD RNR It's in fairly good condition apart from a couple of edge knocks on the bottom edge. I've checked CWGC and have come across 5667Da G W SHEADER 2 HD RNR could they be related? if so whats a BWM being dug up in Cheshire if they are from the North East? Any Ideas or assistance on my medal anybody. Thanks Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kath Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 Bob, Do you know this site: http://www.censusdecoder.com/ Very useful tool. Families can be linked through pages. Used to be able to find sequential nos. but PRO put a stop to that. Kath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 There are only 49 male SHEADER on the 1901 Census,a John R.[9] from Scarboro'{whose Father was a Fisherman} & a James [25] also a Fisherman of Scarboro' The name appears to be Yorkshire based,perhaps he moved after T'War!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kath Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 There are two John SHEADERs from South Shields, as was G W SHEADER. Kath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints & Sinners Posted 20 July , 2006 Author Share Posted 20 July , 2006 hi Kath, Harry, Thanks for the links and info, I think it will be a uphill job but will give it a go. thanks Bob There are two John SHEADERs from South Shields, as was G W SHEADER. Kath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 I was working on the premise that Fishermen {Trawlermen}were most likely to be RNR men,a lot of the Scarboro' Sheaders were Fishermen/Fishing Families.[13 of them] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo33 Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 During some recent work in my garden I dug up along with numerous coins a BWM (Disc only) to the following: 126870DA J.R. SHEADER 2 HD RNR I've got from the 1901 census: Name: John R Sheader Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Scarborough Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Scarborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Source information: RG13/4532 Registration district: Scarborough Sub-registration district: Scarborough ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Folio: 43 Page: 31 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 195 Amy C Sheader abt 1897 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Scarborough Yorkshire John R Sheader abt 1892 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Son Scarborough Yorkshire Lucy E Sheader abt 1882 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Scarborough Yorkshire Michael Sheader abt 1894 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Son Scarborough Yorkshire Nicholas G Sheader abt 1862 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Head Scarborough Yorkshire Rebecca Sheader abt 1889 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Scarborough Yorkshire Richard L Sheader abt 1887 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Son Scarborough Yorkshire Sarah A Sheader abt 1863 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Wife Scarborough Yorkshire Thomas C Sheader abt 1900 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Son Scarborough Yorkshire Nicholas and Richard were fishermen and they all lived in 3, Bethel Place. Only one family in England appears on the 1901 census, so it's got to be your man. Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 It is he most likely,as I stated above,however not all second names/initials were always entered on Census forms & there are other J/John Sheader listed. But certainly worth an each way punt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdrops Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 You could of course consult the electoral rolls for your address from the end of the war onwards to match up a time period with any suitable names and perhaps go from there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints & Sinners Posted 20 July , 2006 Author Share Posted 20 July , 2006 Gordon, Superb matey, thanks to Harry & Snowdrop, My address was built at the end of the war, it was farmland but I'll consult maps to check Farms and walkways that might cross close. Thanks all. Bob I've got from the 1901 census: Name: John R Sheader Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Scarborough Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Scarborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Source information: RG13/4532 Registration district: Scarborough Sub-registration district: Scarborough ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Folio: 43 Page: 31 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 195 Amy C Sheader abt 1897 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Scarborough Yorkshire John R Sheader abt 1892 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Son Scarborough Yorkshire Lucy E Sheader abt 1882 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Scarborough Yorkshire Michael Sheader abt 1894 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Son Scarborough Yorkshire Nicholas G Sheader abt 1862 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Head Scarborough Yorkshire Rebecca Sheader abt 1889 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Scarborough Yorkshire Richard L Sheader abt 1887 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Son Scarborough Yorkshire Sarah A Sheader abt 1863 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Wife Scarborough Yorkshire Thomas C Sheader abt 1900 Scarborough, Yorkshire, England Son Scarborough Yorkshire Nicholas and Richard were fishermen and they all lived in 3, Bethel Place. Only one family in England appears on the 1901 census, so it's got to be your man. Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max (UK) Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 I heard about medals getting buried in gardens before. Was this really common? Is it worth renting out a metal detector next week and going round the neighbourhood ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 Max Well worth a try! Over the years Ive read,heard of various examples of this,sometimes apparently as a precaution against theft during the Blitz,Children playing with them in the Garden{A friend remembers his workmate from the East End stating that his "Bin~Lids" had "posted all his WW2 Medals through the gap in the Floorboards,he thought so much of them they are still there},or as a tribute to a Family member,who had passed away[or by "Tea~Leaves" who buried their stash & then got hauled off for some rock~breaking @ His Majesties, So gardens {& the local 1920s Tip},may be good places to search. Beep beep beep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max (UK) Posted 20 July , 2006 Share Posted 20 July , 2006 Beep beep beep indeed then !! Thanks Harry. I might just do that (anyone else?) My house is 100 years old and during WW1 was owned by Major Andrew Boswell of the Royal Engineers who served in WW1. The whole neighbourhood is quite old - I am thinking that at the weekend this could be quite a fun thing to do. Hmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints & Sinners Posted 21 July , 2006 Author Share Posted 21 July , 2006 Right then, I've got my metal detector were coming to your place lol!! Beep beep beep indeed then !! Thanks Harry. I might just do that (anyone else?) My house is 100 years old and during WW1 was owned by Major Andrew Boswell of the Royal Engineers who served in WW1. The whole neighbourhood is quite old - I am thinking that at the weekend this could be quite a fun thing to do. Hmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 21 July , 2006 Share Posted 21 July , 2006 126870DA J.R. SHEADER 2 HD RNR The DA suffix means he entered the RNR(Trawler Section) as a Deck Hand, it also means he was a professional seaman prior to signing on. 2 HD is Second Hand which is the naval term for a Mate on a Trawler/Drifter. The number is unusual I have never seen a six figure prefix. Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints & Sinners Posted 21 July , 2006 Author Share Posted 21 July , 2006 Charles, Your absolutely right it's a 5 figure prefix 12687 I must of had a senior moment and read the "D" as and 0. Cheers Bob 126870DA J.R. SHEADER 2 HD RNR The DA suffix means he entered the RNR(Trawler Section) as a Deck Hand, it also means he was a professional seaman prior to signing on. 2 HD is Second Hand which is the naval term for a Mate on a Trawler/Drifter. The number is unusual I have never seen a six figure prefix. Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 21 July , 2006 Share Posted 21 July , 2006 Saints I have 'planted' a Mons star trio complete with a DCM and MM in my garden. When can I expect you to call to dig them up? Regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints & Sinners Posted 21 July , 2006 Author Share Posted 21 July , 2006 Mel, (Tongue in cheek) Give us the address and I'll pop round next week or I you leave them they might grow into a VC & GC group. Cheers Bob Saints I have 'planted' a Mons star trio complete with a DCM and MM in my garden. When can I expect you to call to dig them up? Regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_harvey Posted 28 July , 2006 Share Posted 28 July , 2006 Mel, (Tongue in cheek) Give us the address and I'll pop round next week or I you leave them they might grow into a VC & GC group. Cheers Bob My father buried my grandfathers medals when he was a child, my grandfather never forgave my grandmother for letting my dad play with them. I have since found out he had a very hard war. And they were well earnt. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ypres1418 Posted 28 July , 2006 Share Posted 28 July , 2006 So when i move to my new haouse and want to build my pond all i have to do is ask for you all to come round with metal detecters?: sounds like it might work, and would be cheaper for me too!!!!!! LOL Mandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 1 August , 2006 Share Posted 1 August , 2006 The RNR medal roll in ADM 171/124 shows that 11 SHEADERs served; there were 9 in the Trawler Section, 1 in the Special Trawler Section and 1 seaman. 12687DA J.R. SHEADER earned a pair; born in Scarborough, his parents were Nicholas & Sarah, while G W SHEADER was the son of George and Grace so they weren't brothers. Of course I only saw the copy of their records at Kew, but they seemed readable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 10 August , 2006 Share Posted 10 August , 2006 I have been contacted by a Jim Sheader from Scarborough whose ancestors were probably RNR in WW1 - the family are fishermen. He believes this man could be a relative of his. He wishes to join in this thread and so I have told him how to become a member. Watch this space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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