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2/19th London helmet flash


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Hello,

I would like to make a figure of a soldier of the 2/19th London (St Pancras) in Palestine in 1917.

There is a photograph in an Osprey book showing two sergeants as they entered Jerusalem, but I am missing the design of the FS helmet flash worn by the battalion, which faintly shows on the above-mentionned picture.

Also there exist several titles : T/19/LONDON ; 19/LONDON ; &c.

What would be the most correct ?

Thanks for any help.

Eric

(France)

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The 2/19th Londons wore an inverted triangle, 2” top 3” sides, in Blue-Grey Felt. Cloth titles were worn on the upper arms - "2nd 19 LR" light blue on khaki arc. Hope this helps.

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Hello,

Also there exist several titles : T/19/LONDON ; 19/LONDON ; &c.

What would be the most correct ?

Thanks for any help.

Eric

(France)

Shoulder titles T/19/COUNTY OF LONDON were worn in the earlier part of WW1 changing to T/19/LONDON in its duration. There's no specific date for the change though.

Keith

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Eric, the men in your photo are (from my database of 19th Londons):

Sgt Frederick George HURCOMB (numbers 3876 and 611058)

believed to have enlisted about mid April 1915

Wounded 20/02/18 at Talat ed Dumm

resided 60, Grafton Rd, St Pancras

Sgt James Walter SEDGWICK (numbers 4655 and 611488)

believed to have enlisted about late May 1915

resided 14 Theobald St, New Kent Rd, Southwark

Both men went to France with 2/19th when it went overseas with 60 Division on 24/06/16, and then served in Salonika (Dec 1916 - June 1917) and then in Egypt and Palestine until the end of the war.

John Player and Sons produced a series of 50 colour cigarette cards of 'Uniforms of the Territorial Army' in about 1940. Card number 36 is of a Sgt of the 2/19th and is clearly identifiable as one of the two in the photo.

The 19th London Regiment had an annual Jerusalem Dinner on the Saturday closest to the capture of the city - usually the first in the month. This tradition was maintained throughout the interwar period, though I dont know whether it lapsed in 1939.

Charles

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Charles,

I knew the names of Sgts Hurcomb and Sedgwick, who received the keys of Jerusalem from the mayor, but not all those details you provide. So thanks.

Are you by any chance leaving near Canterbury ?

Eric

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Eric - yes, I am not far from Canterbury.

Charles

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