Audax Posted 9 June , 2006 Share Posted 9 June , 2006 On the East wall of the Royal Garrison Church of All Saints in Aldershot, Hants is the Memorial to the Royal Army Chaplains Department. 1. W D Abbott 2. A E Acton 3. F W Ainley 4. W P Ainley 5. J Ash 6. G W Baile 7. T L Baines 8. J Baird 9. E W Barker 10. C L Bedale 11. C H Bell 12. A J Bennett 13. U M Bertini 14. G B H Bishop 15. W Black 16. W D T Black 17. P J T Blakeway 18. V C Boddington 19. E K Botwood 20. W Brown 21. C B W Buck 22. M F Burdess 23. J D Burns 24. J L Cappell 25. T Carey 26. W E A Chadwick 27. W G Cheese 28. S Clarke 29. F W Cleveland 30. E Cobham 31. R A P Colbourne 32. H J Collins 33. G T Cook 34. A M Cowd 35. G E Craven 36. Oswin Creighton 37. J J Daly 38. W L S Dallas 39. H B St J De Vine 40. H Dickinson 41. C E Doudney 42. D Doyle 43. W J Doyle 44. R W Dugdale 45. E F Duncan 46. J R Duvall 47. H H East 48. F H Edinger 49. P J Egan 50. G M Evans 51. E W Evans 52. W Evans Jones 53. J W A Eyre-Powell 54. W J Falside 55. H K Finch 56. W J Finn 57. J Fitzgibbon 58. D Fraser 59. W H Freestone 60. R H Fulford 61. C H Garrett 62. W D Geare 63. B J Gedge 64. E R Gibbs 65. M P Gordon 66. H Green 67. H J B Green 68. P Grobel 69. D M Guthrie 70. J Gwynn 71. F R Harbord 72. W J Harding 73. J H Hardy 74. T B Hardy 75. J A Hartigan 76. A P Hatfield 77. N E Hawdon 78. A Heath 79. R M Henderson 80. F W Hewitt 81. S R Hewitt 82. H J Hoare 83. Oswald A Holden 84. C I S Hood 85. R W Hopkins 86. E C Houlston 87. T Howell 88. P N Hunter 89. R E Inglis 90. J T C Ireland 91. C T C Jeffreys 92. E E Johnson 93. E Johnson-Smyth 94. B Jones 95. T G Jones 96. W E Jones 97. A C Judd 98. B Kavanagh 99. W H Kay 100. J Kellie 101. J Kirk 102. S S Knapp 103. C Langdon 104. H H Lawson 105. H N Leakey 106. H P Ledbitter 107. J T Leeson 108. J H R Lendrum 109. G J Lester 110. A O C Longridge 111. P Looby 112. A B Mace 113. C W W Major 114. C R Martyn 115. J C MacGregor 116. C McAuliffe 117. J J McDonnell 118. H C McGinity 119. J J Mcllvaine 120. G G C Meister 121. G Millar 122. C W Mitchell 123. W P Montagu 124. R J Monteith 125. E N Moore 126. S Morrison 127. W O O'Conor 128. W M N Onslow-Carlton 129. B G O'Rorke 130. D V O'Sullivan 131. G S Pardoe 132. M B Peel 133. C B Plummer 134. B P Plumptre 135. W H Powley 136. A M Pratt 137. M V Prendergast 138. F Raine 139. G H Ranking 140. E O Read 141. C H Reed 142. C Robertson 143. F C Roche 144. B C Ruck-Keene 145. M Ryan 146. C H Schooling 147. J Shine 148. T J Shovel 149. F S Smith 150. P G Smith 151. A Spence 152. H O Spink 153. H Staunton 154. J R Stewart 155. R A Stewart 156. B R Streeten 157. J Strickland 158. A Stuart 159. S J Sullings 160. W H Tomkins 161. E W Trevor 162. F H Tuke 163. A T Veryard 164. J J Wallace 165. C Watson 166. J E M Watson 167. J Watters 168. C N Were 169. C B Whitefoord 170. W C Wilks 171. H W Wood 172. D C Woodhouse In the mosiac on the memorial is the verse 'The Righteous live for evermore; their reward is also with the Lord, and the care of them is with the most High' Wisdom vs.15 The Dedication of the Memorial took place on 'All Saint's Eve, 31st October 1923. During the service the 'Last Post' and 'Reveille' were sounded by the Massed Trumpeters of the First Cavalry Brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 9 June , 2006 Share Posted 9 June , 2006 The photograph of number 130 on the list Rev D V O'Sullivan, at Bouzincourt Communal Cemetery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 9 June , 2006 Share Posted 9 June , 2006 That's fabulous information. I didn't know this tribute even existed! Any chance of a pic for inclusion on the Ashford Fallen website???????? One of the men was an Ashford man - F.H EDINGER. His name appears on a couple of civic memorials in the town. Herewith his details - Chaplain 4th Class The Reverend Frank Harrison EDINGER. Army Chaplains Department. Hospital Ship SS GLENART CASTLE. Died Tuesday 26th February 1918 aged 33 years. Former Curate of St Mary’s Church, Ashford, Kent. Resided 4 Church Road, Ashford, Kent. Son of Reverend Philip and Emily Edinger of 4 Church Road, Ashford, Kent. Husband of Maude Mary Edinger of (1923) 4 Church Road, Ashford, Kent. Frank has no known grave. His name appears on the Hollybrook Memorial, Southampton, Hampshire. Frank’s father was the former Vicar of Mersham. Glenart Castle is located in County Wicklow in Ireland just outside the town of Arklow. SS Galician a 6576 ton Union Steam Ship Co Ltd vessel SS Galician was renamed Glenart Castle in September 1914 and put to use as a Hospital Ship. She had left Newport, South Wales on the day before being torpedoed at 0347 hours by the German Submarine UC56. The torpedo struck the ships engine room and she sank stern first in about seven minutes. Of the 206 crew, medical staff and chaplains onboard only 38 survived the atrocity. It was widely reported that the ships Master 55 year old Lt-Cdr Bernard Burt RNR (Retd) from Crowborough, Sussex could have saved himself but went down with his ship. Although painted white with several Red Cross’s prominently displayed and fully lit including a prominent green band painted all around the ship indicating her status, Wilhelm Kiesewetter the German submarine commander who sank her totally ignored all rules of war and engagement. The Glenart Castle was off Lundy in the Bristol Channel heading for Brest to pick up wounded troops. A graphic account of the atrocity was reported in several publications mainly from the few survivors statements which naturally had slight variations regarding exact details of the disaster, including those published in The Times newspaper on Thursday February 28 1918. This report drew attention to seven other Hospital Ship sinkings by U-boats over the previous twelve months. It mentioned that the Glenart Castle had encountered the enemies attention on previous occasions. On 15 August 1914 it encountered and was stopped and by the German merchant cruiser “Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse” but was spared by the enemy Captain on account of the women and children onboard. Again on 1 March 1917 the ship was carrying wounded men when it either struck a mine or was torpedoed in the English Channel. On that occasion the Glenart Castle managed to reach port safley. At Hartland Point on the north Devon coast on 26 February 2002 a memorial to commemorate the loss of HS Glenart Castle was unveiled which is inscribed: IN PROUD AND GRATEFUL MEMORY OF THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES IN THE HOSPITAL SHIP GLENART CASTLE Please Remember Master Lt Cdr Burt, Matron Katy Beaufoy, the ships officers, crew and medical staff who died when the ship was torpedoed by the UC56 in the early hours of the 26th February 1918. The Ship lies 20 miles WNW from this stone. FOR THOSE IN PERIL ON THE SEA. RIP. The Matron referred to was a member of Queen Alexandria’s Imperial Military Nursing Service who was veteran of the Boer War. Matron Katy Beaufoy had already miraculously survived another hospital ship attack. She had been onboard the H.S Dover Castle due to illness when it was torpedoed and sunk by Uboat - UB-67 on 26 May 1917 off the coast of Bona, Algeria. Katy Beaufoy is commemorated on the same memorial as the Rev Frank Edinger as is the Field Marshall Lord Kitchener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoldier Posted 10 June , 2006 Share Posted 10 June , 2006 Hello Audax. I did my 'Audit' part of my course to be WO2 (RQMS) in the Garrison Church Aldershot Circa 1983! The Chaplins Dept/ Training Centre was then situated at Bagshot Park, Bagshot,Hants, near Farnborough. Now occupied by HRH... I served with several Chaplains, great guys, always with us in whatever situation. The Garrison Church holds many memorials within it's hollowed walls, dating back over years and years. Aldershot once held the proud title of 'The home of the British Army' Decimated, Housing Estates, Industrial and planned Shopping Mall etcThey now )MOD?) Want to move our Regimental Museum to Duxford? It should stay in Aldershot! (Barracks nie on opposite Garrison Church) Barracks due to be demolished 2007, MOD states for Housing etc. I fear for the fate of the Garrison Church. I hope it will be saved and treated with the respect and honour it deserves as a memorial to those who died and survived, served in Aldershot. Terry W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted 10 June , 2006 Share Posted 10 June , 2006 Interesting. Should anyone want them I have pictures of the headstones of: Geare MA, Rev. N.D. Chaplain to the forces (30-117d) Hardy VC DSO MC, T.B. Rev. Chaplain to the Forces 4th Class (36-458f) Regards, Marco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historydavid Posted 10 June , 2006 Share Posted 10 June , 2006 Neil, a few comments on your post: 1 On August 15th, 1914, the Galician was intercepted by the German auxiliary cruiser Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse off Teneriffe on her way home from Cape Town. A Lt. Deane and Gunner Sheerman were taken prisoners, but the ship was allowed to proceed on her course as there were women and children on board. 2 After this incident the ship was renamed Glenart Castle and requisitioned (or requisitioned and then renamed) by the Admiralty for conversion to a Hospital Ship. 3 On February 26th, 1918, she was torpedoed and sunk by the German submarine UC-56, ten miles W. of Lundy Island, on a voyage from Newport to Brest to embark wounded and 95 members of the crew died. These men are commemorated on the Tower Hill Memorial in London. The ship was owned by Union Castle Mail Steamship Co Ltd of London. 4 You quote “Of the 206 crew, medical staff and chaplains onboard only 38 survived the atrocity.” These numbers may be correct but another set gives “153 killed out of her total complement of 186.” The 153 figure includes the 95 crew mentioned above. 5 I had not heard about the 1 March 1917 incident previously. Best wishes David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historydavid Posted 10 June , 2006 Share Posted 10 June , 2006 Quote “Chaplain 4th Class” When reading this I got the impression of a chaplain who wasn’t a full member of the God Squad. Can someone explain explain this grading system for me, please? Best wishes David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 11 June , 2006 Author Share Posted 11 June , 2006 History David, From a previous post on Chapalins at http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...wtopic=1382&hl= Hope this helps. From the Army List 1918:- Chaplain General, equivalent rank Major-General Deputy Chaplain General,equivalent rank Major-General Principal Chaplains, equivalent rank Major-General Principal Chaplains, equivalent rank Brigadier-Generals Chaplains to the Forces (1st Class), equivalent rank Lieut.-Colonels Chaplains to the Forces (2nd Class), equivalent rank Lieut.-Colonels Chaplains to the Forces (3rd Class), equivalent rank - Majors Chaplains to the Forces (4th Class), equivalent rank Captains This thread has some photos of Padres' Graves: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...42562&hl=padres Two chaplains have been remebered on the GWF : No 112 A B Mace http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...40&hl=4th+Class No 141 C H Reed http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...22&hl=4th+Class Discussion on: No 5 - J Ash http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...56&hl=chaplains No 74 - T B Hardy http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...c=1260&hl=Hardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.r.f Posted 11 June , 2006 Share Posted 11 June , 2006 PALS I feel there is a very interesting book to be written on this theme.If anybody takes the bait.Can I order my copy now. Heres hoping. CHEERS. JOHN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 11 June , 2006 Author Share Posted 11 June , 2006 There's some useful info on the main site here too: http://www.1914-1918.net/chaplains.htm No 13 U M Bertini http://www.catholic-history.org.uk/ebc/1998hagerty.pdf No 36 O Creighton http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1...3268557-7358806 No 41 C E Doudney http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0...3268557-7358806 No 43 W J Doyle http://freespace.virgin.net/sh.k/frwdoyle.html and http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1...3268557-7358806 No 69 D M Guthrie http://www.catholic-history.org.uk/ebc/1998hagerty.pdf No 74 T B Hardy http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetail...w%2Braw%2Bhardy No 89 R E Inglis http://www.inglis.uk.com/diaryofrupertinglis.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burlington Posted 11 June , 2006 Share Posted 11 June , 2006 The Glenart Castle has been mentioned in this topic. This is my pic of the memorial at Hartland point: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...=Glenart+Castle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historydavid Posted 11 June , 2006 Share Posted 11 June , 2006 Audax, thank you for the list and link. I found them most interesting. Best wishes David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 12 June , 2006 Author Share Posted 12 June , 2006 No 129 B G O' Rorke MA DSO L.G. 1.1.1917. born 7.1.1916.Son of Wm J O'Rorke M. Myra Robertson, d. of late Rev H McDonald Three Daughters. Educated Nottingham, Exeter College, Oxford. BA 1887 MA 1901 Joined the Army 1.8.1901. Served South Africa (Queens' Medal and 4 Clasps) European War as Chaplain to the Forces C of E. Captured by the Germans at Landrecies 26.8.1914 and held prisoner for 10 months 1914-15, Senior Chaplain of the 33rd Division for nine months. Senior Chaplain of the XIth Army Corps for two months. Assistant to to Deputy Chaplain-General BEF. Despatches Author of 'African Missions' 1912, 'Our opportunities in the West Indies' 1913 'In the hands of the Enemy' 1915 Died at Falmouth Christmas Day 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 13 June , 2006 Author Share Posted 13 June , 2006 This photo is c. 1920s. For Terry & Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 28 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2006 For those who missed this thread first time round. 100 Army Chaplains died as a result of enemy action in Wolrd War One See the Journal of Army Historical Research, Spring 2005 for detailed statistics by denomination and cause of death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_hughes Posted 28 October , 2006 Share Posted 28 October , 2006 Hi, Can I draw your attention to today's thread "Army Chaplains Killed in Service" Regards, LST_164 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 28 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2006 There is a related thread here about the Rev W P Ainley. Who died of a illness contracted whilst serving as a chaplain at Aldershot. Thread http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...4&hl=Ainley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD60 Posted 28 October , 2006 Share Posted 28 October , 2006 Interesting. Should anyone want them I have pictures of the headstones of: Geare MA, Rev. N.D. Chaplain to the forces (30-117d) Hardy VC DSO MC, T.B. Rev. Chaplain to the Forces 4th Class (36-458f) Regards, Marco I do not se if you have an answer to your request. you have one pic here: http://perso.orange.fr/tanneguy.desplanque...es/chaplain.htm Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_hughes Posted 28 October , 2006 Share Posted 28 October , 2006 Audax, Not on the Aldershot list but equally a casualty is the Rev. Peter Jones-Roberts. He was the Wesleyan Minister at St.Paul's Methodist Church, Bangor, Caernarvonshire (now Gwynedd). Like his sons, he joined the Army as Chaplain 4th Class, ACD and went out to France with the 38th (Welsh) Division. Despite his age (about 53) he was present at the attack on Mametz Wood on the Somme in July 1916, in which one of his sons died whilst an officer with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. There is a moving account in Llewelyn Wyn Griffith's Up To Mametz, of one of the officers reporting he'd met him as dusk fell over the battlefield, saying that he'd been burying other people's sons all day, and now it was time he went and found his own son so as to do the same for him. He never found his son, and it is clear from the family account of the War that the whole experience unhinged him somewhat (G.D.Roberts, Witness These Letters, Gee & Son Ltd, Denbigh 1994). He returned home eventually, a changed man, and on 23 June 1921 went out on the Menai Straits fishing in a small boat. He appears to have had some sort of seizure, and fell into the water and drowned, aged 58. He has a War Grave in Bangor's Glanadda Cemetery, indicating that the cause of his death was held to be attributable to the conflict. I found his story touched all sorts of chords for me: I'm from Bangor and back in the late 1950s-mid 60s attended St.Paul's Junior School (by then a Welsh language establishment). The roofless ruins of his church stood next to the school for a few years in my time before it was completely demolished, and an adjacent Vestry was our classroom at one point. At the top of the lane stood the Wesleyan Manse, his family home, which had become a Welsh bookshop; ironically it was here years later that I bought my copy of Griffith's book. It's now closed and the school has recently been bulldozed too. I thought I'd add him to the thread, since his late date of death put him beyond most memorials including that for the City of Bangor and because I feel great sympathy for his plight as a father searching for his son's body as the light failed over the horrific scenes at Mametz. LST_164 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hywyn Posted 28 October , 2006 Share Posted 28 October , 2006 Audax You may have seen a thread I started re Rev William Evans Jones from Felinheli in Caernarfonshire. He is on the list you supplied from the Church of All Saints at No 52 and No 96! (Unless it's late at night and I'm missing something) He is there under Evans Jones and also under Jones (Clive, in the other thread states that he is on SDGW as Evans-Jones) I'll try and find the Journal you refer to but If you have a copy could you have please have a look to see what it says? Also, do you mind if I make a copy of the photo in Post 14 Hywyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 29 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 29 October , 2006 I do not se if you have an answer to your request. you have one pic here: http://perso.orange.fr/tanneguy.desplanque...es/chaplain.htm Regards. TD 60, Interesting manequin of an Army Chaplain. I guess it is a Museum in France or Belgium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 30 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2006 Audax You may have seen a thread I started re Rev William Evans Jones from Felinheli in Caernarfonshire. He is on the list you supplied from the Church of All Saints at No 52 and No 96! (Unless it's late at night and I'm missing something) He is there under Evans Jones and also under Jones (Clive, in the other thread states that he is on SDGW as Evans-Jones) I'll try and find the Journal you refer to but If you have a copy could you have please have a look to see what it says? Also, do you mind if I make a copy of the photo in Post 14 Hywyn Hywyn, I have now ammended the roll, as due to my error it included Rev W Evans-Jones twice. I hope you didn't loose any sleep over this! I'll let you know what the article says later. A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hywyn Posted 30 October , 2006 Share Posted 30 October , 2006 Audax Thanks for that. A typo never occured to me - I genuinely thought he was on the memorial twice. Hywyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 30 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2006 Hywyn, The JSAHR has in the footnotes regarding Dr Dunn' book 'The chaplain can almost certainly be identified as the Revd W. Evans-Jones. Some confusion existed in the Army List about his denomintion. Evidence, including that of Dunn, shows that he was a Baptist minister...' (Howson; 2005). At age 24 years, think he may be the youngest of the chaplains who died during the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 1 November , 2006 Share Posted 1 November , 2006 From the memorial list. Rev. The Hon. Maurice Berkeley PEEL, M.C. Chaplain to the Forces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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