the gunners dream Posted 26 May , 2006 Share Posted 26 May , 2006 Hi there, I'm tentatively assuming that this is the Royal Naval Division's version of an MIC, or should I say RNVR? Can someone advise me on the entry for BZ 4445 Able Seaman John Astill? Does FR mean France and what does I.C. 1154/1918 mean? These are his deatils from the CWGC site: Name: ASTILL, JOHN Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Able Seaman Regiment: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve Unit Text: Anson Bn. R.N. Div. Age: 21 Date of Death: 30/05/1918 Service No: BZ/4445 Additional information: Son of William and Ada Mary Astill. Native of Nottingham. Il. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: II. G. 6. Cemetery: BAGNEUX BRITISH CEMETERY, GEZAINCOURT Many thanks, Steve Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 26 May , 2006 Share Posted 26 May , 2006 Rather than being an index card it is a Medal Roll Page{ie what the MiC reference on an Army MiC refer to} "Fr" Would I imagine refer to France IC Possibly Internal communication?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 26 May , 2006 Share Posted 26 May , 2006 "Fr" Would I imagine refer to France HB, In the column 'How issued or disposed of'? I suspect 'S' is 'self' and 'Fr' is 'Father'. This thread http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...showtopic=35830 mentions the RND Rolls of Honour, held by the IWM. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunners dream Posted 26 May , 2006 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2006 Thanks for the prompt replies, did these chaps have MICS? By the way, I can't access the link? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 27 May , 2006 Share Posted 27 May , 2006 By the way, I can't access the link? Sorry Steve - I've fixed it and it now works. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunners dream Posted 27 May , 2006 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2006 Hi Mick, Thanks for your help, one thing I couldn't find when I did a search for him was a medal index card. Is this available, or are they held under another ADM heading at Kew? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 27 May , 2006 Share Posted 27 May , 2006 Steve, Medals are not my thing, but from what I've seen written by others, I gather that Navy men (and RND counted as Navy) didn't have MICs. In any event, MICs refer to the info on a Medal Roll, and you have that, so you presumably have all the info available. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunners dream Posted 27 May , 2006 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2006 Mick, No probs, that clears up up what I'd already thought and the medal roll gives me the info I need anyway. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 29 May , 2006 Share Posted 29 May , 2006 The navy didn't adopt MICs, they stuck with straight medal rolls as illustrated and as you can see they can give you more information than a MIC. Other information (MIDs decorations) would be on his service records, as it was for the army. MICs are only helpful because 1) they are online and 2) so many army service records are lost. IC (if I remember correctly) = Inquisitions Certificate, what that boils down (paraphrasing) to is that his pair were sent to his father after the numbered death certificate had been seen. A copy of his service card will be in ADM 339/2 on microfilm at Kew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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