"one recipient of both the VC and the Iron Cross"

[brindlerp]

From http://www.army.mod.uk/medical/royal%5Farm...edical%5Fcorps/

"The RAMC traces its history back to the foundation of the Regular Army, following the restoration of King Charles II in 1660, but it was not until 1898 that officers and soldiers were incorporated into one body known as the Royal Army Medical Corps. The RAMC motto In Arduis Fidelis is translated as Faithful in Adversity. The 31 Victoria Crosses won by the Corps, including two double VCs and one recipient of both the VC and the Iron Cross, bear testimony to the motto and the character and ideals of the men and women who wear the badge."

Who was the "one recipient of both the VC and the Iron Cross" and what are the details of the awards?

Regards

Richard

[PhilB]

I don`t know, but Bert Trautmann had the OBE and the Iron Cross! Phil B

[Glosters]

Surgeon-General William George Nicholas Manley, CB, VC

His Iron Cross was awarded for service with the British Ambulance Corps during the Franco-Prussian War 1870. The citation states that it was for services with the Corps "caring for the wounded of the 22nd Division in the actions of Chateau-neuf and Bretoncelle, on 18th and 21st December 1870, and the battles of Orleans and Cravant, on 10th December 1870..."

He was also at the siege of Paris and awarded the Cross of the French Societe de Secours aux Blesses for attending to French wounded.

He died in Cheltenham 16 Nov. 1901 and is buried here.

Steve

[Glosters]

His grave today:

[brindlerp]

Steve,

many thanks for the very interesting information and attachments.

regards

Richard

[themonsstar]

Hi

Herbert Sulzbach (With the German Guns) four years on the Western front book has the MBE, 1st&2nd Iron Crosses of the First World War, German Cross of Merit 1st class, Grand cross of German Order of Merit, to wear alongside hes WW2 British Medals & in 1978 he was awarded the Criox de paix de L'Europe, a Franco-German peace decoration.

He was born in 1894, he joined the army as a volunteer in 1914, was commissioned by the Wilhelm II the Kaiser in 1916, won the Iron Cross twice & emerged unscathed in 1918. His Jewish antecedents forced him to flee to England in 1937, and when France fell he was interned on the Isle of Man. In Oct 1940 he joined the Pioneer Corps and was commissioned for the second time in 1945, this time by King George the VI!.

His Medals are in the RLC Museum at Deepcut Camberley Surrey GU16 6RW( In the Royal Pioneer Corps part ). Cheers Roy

[barrieduncan]

Fascinating thread guys, cheers for that.

[HarryBettsMCDCM]

I recall a War Illustrated Story & Typical Boy's Own Paper type Illustration,early in the War of a German Officer rushing forward to pin his own Iron Cross,onto a mortally wounded British Officer,for some mutually considered heroic act for which the British officer was reputedly later honoured,wether this tale was apochryphal & published for morale,or based on fact,I dont know,but it is in an early edition of W.I;

[Coldstreamer]

Hello

Well Ive learnt something new today about VC / Iron Cross

Ian