bernardmcilwaine Posted 4 March , 2006 Share Posted 4 March , 2006 graham,during your research,did you come across any of these brothers peter,james burns john,aitchison burns george burns james burns robert burns david,alexander burns william burns ime hoping they or most of them served,the newspapers were usually keen to include mass enlistments of brothers in their newspapers,many thanks,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 4 March , 2006 Share Posted 4 March , 2006 Bernard, Have to admit that if they are all brothers within the same Burns family and are all serving with the NF, then I haven't come across them, and the name Burns isn't uncommon to the regiment. Any idea where they're from? The newspapers are a good source for that sort of thing, but you won't find the Alnwick Gazette, Hexham Courant or the Berwick papers located in Newcastle. The Alwick Gazette and Hexham Courant were still located in their newpaper offices some years ago, and hopefully they still remain there as it would be a shame if they had been destroyed. Still, if you have any further clues for me to go on, I can check. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 4 March , 2006 Share Posted 4 March , 2006 Graham, help me out here. Your Avatar has a cap badge on it. We are dealing with that over the pond at the Canadian Expeditionary Force Study Group: See CEF Northumberland There was someone looking up a photo and I noted that image was one badge I had from my grandfather. He also served in the 26th Northumberland Fusiliers. Since I had other 25th cap badges and they are in his photos, I thought this one was something else ... until I saw it in your Avatar. Can you shed some light on this? Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 4 March , 2006 Share Posted 4 March , 2006 Richard, To the left is the bronze officers cap badge which would have been worn by your GF. Up until 1916 NF officers also wore collar badges of a similar design to this badge but in facing pairs. The badge in the middle is an earlier pattern collar badge that was replaced by collar badges of the design mentioned above, but in early 1914 some officers still managed to get their hands on these to wear as seen on photos. The badge on the right is the officers silver & gilt shoulder title, and it seems to have been optional regarding it's wear. The badge in your CEF Study Group is a Territorial Force officers bronze collar badge for the Royal Engineers i.e. it has no scroll below the grenade with "Ubique" on it and it has two additional flames, to tell it apart from those of the officers of R.F.A.(T.F.). Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 4 March , 2006 Share Posted 4 March , 2006 Richard, My Avtar is the other ranks cloth slip-on shoulder title(bottom) adopted late in the war, which replaced the earlier metal titles(top) on the shoulder strap. Hope this clears it up for you. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughton Posted 4 March , 2006 Share Posted 4 March , 2006 The badge in the middle is an earlier pattern collar badge that was replaced by collar badges of the design mentioned above, but in early 1914 some officers still managed to get their hands on these to wear as seen on photos. Thanks for that, they looked so similar but when you see them close up they are not. Confusing to me as I had a mixture of the two sets in one box. I have the 26th cap badge in the left of your photo and the shoulder badges on the right. The one I have that looks like the one in your middle caused the confusion. The badge in your CEF Study Group is a Territorial Force officers bronze collar badge for the Royal Engineers i.e. it has no scroll below the grenade with "Ubique" on it and it has two additional flames, to tell it apart from those of the officers of R.F.A.(T.F.). I have posted that back on the CEF Forum as that appears to be the consensus answer. Your assistance was most appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 5 March , 2006 Author Share Posted 5 March , 2006 hiya graham,all i know is that they all came from and lived in northumberland,i will try and find out a bit more,many thanks,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyford Posted 5 March , 2006 Share Posted 5 March , 2006 Not a help with their WW1 service but I think this may be the family in 1901. Hepscott nr Morpeth Hugh Burns - age 47 - Head - Ag. Lab. - Born Scotland. Jane Burns - 50 wife Birthplace Scotland. William Burns - 20 - son - Hind. Birthplace Norham John A. Burns - 18 - son - Hind Birthplace Ford Elizabeth I. Burns - 17 Birthplace Ford Agnes A. Burns - 14 Birthplace Ford George Burns - 13 - Worker on Farm - Birthplace Ford Robert Burns - 11 - Birthplace - Ford James Burns - 9 - Birthplace Kylo David Burns - 8 - Birthplace Kennington? Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyford Posted 5 March , 2006 Share Posted 5 March , 2006 In 1891 the family were living at Chatton. Hugh Burns - age 37 - Ag. Lab. Jane Burns age 40 Wife Peter James Burns age 14 Ag. Lab. Birthplace Ford William Burns - aged 10 - scholar. Ford John Aitchison Burns aged 8 - scholar Ford Elizabeth Jane - aged 7 - Scholar - Ford Agnes Jane Burns - aged 4. - Ford George Burns aged 3 - Ford Robert Burns aged 1 - Ford And in 1881 living at Twizel, Nbd. Hugh Burns - aged 27 - Ag. Lab. Jane Burns - aged 30 Peter Burns - aged 4 Birthplace Rolles Nbd. Alexander Burns - aged 3 Birthplace Rolles Nbd. Hugh Burns - aged 1 Birthplace Lowick Nbd. William Burns - aged 2 mths. Birthplace Tindale House Nbd. Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyford Posted 5 March , 2006 Share Posted 5 March , 2006 And lastly Peter James Burns in 1901 living in Weetslade Peter James Burns aged 24 Platelayer Birthplace Ford Catherine E. Burns aged 24 Birthplace Dudley Colliery Hugh Burns aged 2 Birthplace Embleton Margaret J. aged 7 mths. Birthplace Dudley Colliery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyford Posted 5 March , 2006 Share Posted 5 March , 2006 Also A quick glance at the MICs and putting in David A. (no regiment) shows: David A. Burns D.L.I. 11410 then there are the following: Robert Burns D.L.I. 8/3313 & 30073or 8 (can't read my own writing)) George Burns D.L.I. 65027 & Lab. Corps 21695 or D.L.I. 430 & M.G.C. 152545 James Burns D.L.I. 105763 (Lots of James Burns) Of course David is most unusual name. Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 5 March , 2006 Author Share Posted 5 March , 2006 thats them kate,i to thought about david being unusual,many thanks,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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