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Hywyn

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I have about five names on my home village memorial that I can't positively pinpoint.

One is Daniel Owen address Ysbytty.

There are 51 D Owen on CWGC and 13 D Owens.

Taking the D Owens first. All bar two can be eliminated and of those Pte 6406 D Owens 1st RWF 2/9/16 looks good as the RWF Reg Records show his place of birth as Llanberis which is nearer his address than 'my' village plus there is no Daniel Owens on the Llanberis monument.

Of the 51 D Owen the majority can be eliminated as David etc. Pte 40359 D Owen is another Daniel Owen on the same memorial.

Am I right in saying that the SDGW CD provides for a search using the full christian name and if so could a Pal please search Daniel Owen ( should only be about 4 or 5)

Names in address field could include Yspytty, Fachwen, Dinorwig, Deiniolen, Ebenezer, Llanddeiniolen,Llanberis, Carnarvonshire.

TIA

Hywyn

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Pte Daniel Owen

40359

1/RWF Died 11.01.17

Born Cwmyglo

Enlisted Llanberis

Resident Clwtybont

Other Daniel Owens are from London or Bristol.

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40359 Private Daniel Owen, 1st Royal Welsh Fusiliers, Killed in action 11/1/17.

Born - Cwmglo

Enlisted - Llanberis

Resided - Clwtybont.

John

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Terry/John

Thanks for the info. The memorial has two Daniel Owen on it. Daniel Owen ( Pte 40359 ) is one and it is the other I'm trying to pinpoint. There's nothing in local papers about him.

I guess the Pte D Owens (6406) of 1st RWF on 2/9/16 in my original must have been a David then.

How many Daniel Owen/Owens were there?

Hywyn

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How many Daniel Owen/Owens were there?

33 D. Owen, 2 Daniels from London & Bristol

7 D. Owens, 2 Daniels from Liverpool

Others mostly David.

What are the other names you are stuck on?

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Hi Geoff

Thanks.

Could I have the two Liverpool ones please. Strong links from the area to that city (capital of North Wales etc)

The others are (you asked!!!)

1.William Thomas address Pen Ffridd

2. Robert Roberts Elidir View

3. John T Jones Tros yr Afon. Newspaper reports 14th August 1917 reports a memorial service for him Lost his life in France. No mention of the date - could be recent or from the previous year ie missing then finally declared dead.(Pte 352441 John T Jones RAMC 2/11/18 is a separate one on the memorial - also date wrong for newspaper report)

4William R Roberts Siop Gron. He has newspaper mentions in February 1918 as being in the RFC and is described as Cadet Roberts. On 8th October 1918 his mother is acknowledging thanks to all re her bereavement ( of William)

Thanks

Hywyn

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Hi Geoff

Thanks.

Could I have the two Liverpool ones please. Strong links from the area to that city (capital of North Wales etc)

12078 Pte. Daniel OWENS 11th Kings (LiverPool Regiment)

Born Liverpool

Enlisted Seaforth, Lancs

Residence Liverpool

Killed in action 11/05/1917 France & Flanders

14570 Pte Daniel OWENS Machine Gun Corps

Formerly: 15754 Cheshire Regiment

Born Everton, Lancs

Enlisted Liverpool

Residence- blank

Killed in action 25/06/1916 France & Flanders

cheers,

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The others are (you asked!!!)

1.William Thomas address Pen Ffridd

2. Robert Roberts Elidir View

4 William R Roberts Siop Gron. He has newspaper mentions in February 1918 as being in the RFC and is described as Cadet Roberts. On 8th October 1918 his mother is acknowledging thanks to all re her bereavement ( of William)

W. Thomas:- Over 550 of these, over 200 of which have no details in the Additional

Information field. Two possibles are:

Name: THOMAS

Initials: W

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Pioneer

Regiment: Royal Engineers

Unit Text: Road and Quarry Troops,

Age: 27

Date of Death: 22/12/1918

Service No: WR/43995

Additional Information: Husband of Mary Thomas, of 5, Tabernacle St., Ebenezer,

Canarvonshire.

Casuality Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: A.F. 2143.

Cemetery: ALDERSHOT MILITARY CEMETERY

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=359708

Name: THOMAS

Initials: W W

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: Royal Welch Fusiliers

Unit Text: Depot

Date of Death: 02/12/1920

Service No: 69311

Casuality Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: North of chapel.

Cemetery: LLANDDEINIOLEN (MACHPELAH) CEMETERY

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=670875

Above two are not listed in SDGW.

Robert Roberts:- A mere 70 odd of these, two with connexions to

Canarvon/Caernarfon/Carnavon are:

Name: ROBERTS, ROBERT

Initials: R

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: Welsh Regiment

Unit Text: 23rd Bn.

Secondary Regiment: Labour Corps

Secondary Unit Text: transf. to (415645) 906th Area Employment Coy.

Age: 45

Date of Death: 15/06/1918

Service No: 41831

Additional Information: Son of Ellen Williams, of 5, Thomas St., Llanberis, Canarvon.

Casuality Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Q. I. E. 4.

Cemetery: ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=520491

Listed in SDGW as Labour Corps, 415645, enlisted Mountain Ash, Glam., residence

Abercynon, Glam., born not stated, died France and Flanders.

Name: ROBERTS, ROBERT EDWIN

Initials: R E

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: Royal Welsh Fusiliers

Unit Text: 2nd Bn.

Age: 23

Date of Death: 26/10/1916

Service No: 40328

Additional Information: Son of the late David and Mary Roberts, of Groeslon,

Caernarvonshire; brother of Mr. T. R. Roberts, of "Bronallt," Groeslon.

Casuality Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 8.F.19.

Cemetery: LONDON CEMETERY AND EXTENSION, LONGUEVAL

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=946098

Listed in SDGW as 40238 (note transposed digits), and second name EDWYN, born

Groeslon, Carn., enlisted Walasey, Cheshire. Killed in action France and Flanders.

No sign of William Roberts RFC Cadet. There was a posting recently about a cadet

missing from CWGC, who died in an accident, Terry Denham quoted a similar case where a

cadet had been included, so perhaps this one is missed off the list in error also, as

quite few a may be included.

Cheers,

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Hywyn

It wasn't unusual for spelling mistakes, name mistakes and repetition to appear on local memorials. Have you a David Owen on the memorial ? If not the following may be of interest.

Pte David Owen 48735

10th Bn. South Wales Borderers.

En: Bangor

Res: Bryn Refail Cwmglo

D: 2/3/19

Son of Owen David Owen & Elizabeth Owen.

Myrtle

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Geoff

Thanks for having a look.

There are three William Thomas on the memorial. The two you gave positively match two of them ( address/newspaper etc )

There is a Robert Roberts on the Llanberis one which is highly likely to be the one you gave. ( I have Llanberis memorial bubbling on the back burner and your info has helped with one not identified on it ) I'll have a look at Census etc sometime in the future.

The village re Robert Edwin Roberts you quote is some 10-15 miles away and it's not likely to be him but I've noted it in case something else turns up to link the family to that village,

I'm mystified as to what happened to Cadet Roberts. The thread you saw was Terry responding to a request of mine to look him up.

Many thanks for your help.

Hywyn

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Myrtle

Point taken re names etc

There are two David Owen on the memorial both of which I have positively identified ( address/newspaper report etc) and one of which is the one you quote.

Thanks for your interest

Hywyn

PS I wish sometimes I was researching a little English village memorial full of easy surnames like Pigsbottom, Haymaker, Cholomendy-Walters etc instead of all these John Jones' etc :lol:

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Myrtle

PS I wish sometimes I was researching a little English village memorial full of easy surnames like Pigsbottom, Haymaker, Cholomendy-Walters etc instead of all these John Jones' etc :lol:

Don't talk to me about Jones :)

By the way 1901 census show two Daniel Owens born in Llanddeiniolen. One was 4 years old and the other 22 years old resident in Bettws y Coed and a labourer in Blende Mine.

Myrtle

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PS I wish sometimes I was researching a little English village memorial full of easy surnames like Pigsbottom, Haymaker, Cholomendy-Walters etc instead of all these John Jones' etc :lol:

Hywyn, I have two Williams, that I may never identify :-(

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