Guest fossey Posted 31 January , 2006 Share Posted 31 January , 2006 I downloaded the medal card for James Edward Liley Can anyone explain what it means. victory (roll) og 1/10 3 B 32 (pg) 6418 British ditto 15 Star 0/1/6A (pg) 15 (1) France date of entry 9.10.15 there is some words in the remarks column but can't understant what it says. Also he would only have been 18 in 1915. Would that be right. Thanks Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigronhartley Posted 31 January , 2006 Share Posted 31 January , 2006 Hello Angela, The medal card for James Edward Liley provides the appropriate reference numbers to find the Medal Rolls for the War and Victory Medals (Roll) og 1/10 3 B 32 (pg) 6418, and the 15 Star (Roll) 0/1/6A (pg) 15. These Medal Rolls give information about which Units a Soldier Served with, Unit changes, Rank Changes, Date of Discharge etc. (1) France, date of entry 9.10.15, there are some words in the remarks column but can't understand what it says. If you could attach an image, someone might be able to interpret this for you. Many soldiers were not 18 when they went into a Theatre of War 1915. Indeed some were as young as 14 or 15. Hope this helps. Regards, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fossey Posted 31 January , 2006 Share Posted 31 January , 2006 Ron Thanks very much, could you let me know if I have attached the medal sheet correctly. Could you tell me from the info given what unit he served in etc. Or if not, where would I find that info. Thanks Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigronhartley Posted 31 January , 2006 Share Posted 31 January , 2006 Hello Angela, I am unable to see any attached medal index card. Are you sure he served with the Durham Light Infantry. Could you tell me what his service number is ? There appear to be five possibilities for James Liley, two serving with the DLI, one with the RAMC (a Surgeon), one with the Notts and Derby Regiment and the other with the West Riding Regiment. Where did your man come from ? Info about what unit he served in etc. is given on the Medal Rolls (see ref numbers on MIC Card), these can be ordered on-line from The National Archive by quoting the ref numbers. Regards, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fossey Posted 31 January , 2006 Share Posted 31 January , 2006 I have his medal card from the national archives. I am trying to attach it in the file attachments underneath, but it doesn't seem to work. Could you please tell me how to attach it. Or how to reduce the size of the document. It is in PDF format. He was in the DLI his name was James E Liley - 25060 and 103235 as a private. He was born in Chester-le-Street Co Durham. Born in 1897. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fossey Posted 31 January , 2006 Share Posted 31 January , 2006 Hope this has worked this time. Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigronhartley Posted 31 January , 2006 Share Posted 31 January , 2006 Hello Angela, Yes I can now see the image but unfortunately I can't make the word out. Are there any Pals out there who can shed some light on this ? Regards, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fossey Posted 1 February , 2006 Share Posted 1 February , 2006 Thanks Ron Do you think I should post it again under a new topic. Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigronhartley Posted 1 February , 2006 Share Posted 1 February , 2006 Hello Angela What do you think the word is ? Your image might be clearer. If you spell out the letters as you see them it might help me in interpreting what it says. If we have no joy you could try posting it again under a new topic. Regards Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fossey Posted 1 February , 2006 Share Posted 1 February , 2006 My copy not much clearer. I posted it on the rootschat and someone has said entitled. But not sure myself. Also not sure what entitled would mean exactly. Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigronhartley Posted 1 February , 2006 Share Posted 1 February , 2006 Hello Angela, Yes, I thought it could be 'entitled' or 'established'. He could be entitled to a Silver War Badge. His other number 103235 is a possible clue. This is not a DLI Territorial number, I wonder if it is a Labour Corps number ? If a man was wounded, or his health was failing or getting too old, he would often be transferred to the Labour Corps. This information would be on the Medal Rolls. Contrary to what I said earlier, you can't do this directly on line, you need to convert the MIC reference numbers using indexes which are held at the National Archives. There is a posting which explains this (someone researching a RGA man). Regards Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fossey Posted 2 February , 2006 Share Posted 2 February , 2006 Ron Does that mean he was in the TA, and not the real army. Also do you think people left the war and went down the mines. As this man seemed to do. Could you tell me where I can find the posting you told me about (There is a posting which explains this (someone researching a RGA man) Many thanks for your help and advice. Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigronhartley Posted 2 February , 2006 Share Posted 2 February , 2006 Hello Angela No he doesn't appear to be in the TA, the six figure number doesn't tally with those allocated to DLI Territorial Battalions. The word on the MIC could be 'entrenching'. Was he a miner ? If so, many miners worked in Tunnelling Companies, part of the Royal Engineers. Many men in the DLI were miners, so when people left the war they went back down the mines along with lots of others who were seeking work. The posting is in 'Soldiers', the Topic is 'Researching RGA Grandfather' and it was posted by PILGRIM. I would also try asking the 'Number Experts' if anyone recognises which unit this 6 figure number might be. Regards, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fossey Posted 3 February , 2006 Share Posted 3 February , 2006 Ron Thanks for that, I saw Pilgrims site. Does that mean the roll numbers etc are still in tact in the national archives and only the records are 30% left. I don't want to go all the way to London to find nothing. Yes he was a miner after the war. He was a coal cutting machineman, on my fathers birth cert. I will put a topic on for the numbers experts. Could you please tell me which heading that would go under. Thanks for all your help. Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigronhartley Posted 3 February , 2006 Share Posted 3 February , 2006 Hello Angela Yes you need to convert the reference numbers on the MIC to the roll numbers for your man, then you request the medal rolls quoting these. Staff will then provide you with the appropriate medal rolls which contain the name of the man you are interested in. You can then request copies, there will be two rolls; one for the 1915 Star and one for the War and Victory medals. These Medal Rolls are still intact in the national archives. It is the Soldiers Service Records which were damaged and only around 30% of the records are left. If you don't want to go all the way to London, you could ask a Professional Researcher to do it for you. There are lots around, it should only cost between £5 and £10. Alternatively, you could ask if anyone on the Forum is going to the National Archive who would be willing to do it for you. I suggest you put it on Units and Formations; list it as DLI /can anyone explain the change in numbers. Good luck, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John84 Posted 3 February , 2006 Share Posted 3 February , 2006 Hello Angela...I might be a million miles wrong here and I stand to be corrected....but I have found two casualties (see links below) serving with the 3rd and 4th reserve battalions of the DLI.....both have six digit service numbers, the first two numbers are 10.......What is interesting both lads are from Pelton, just down the road from Chester-le-Street, and both died at home and are buried in Pelton cemetery.....may be that James Edward Liley was first serving with one of the reserve DLI battalions before transferring to another battalion overseas.....I have also put a link that takes you to the mother site that tells you all about the Army reserve. John. http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=354303 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=354306 http://www.1914-1918.net/reserve.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John84 Posted 4 February , 2006 Share Posted 4 February , 2006 Angela, just another thought, James Edward Liley first service number 25060 looks like it may be a service number of one of the new army battalions with the DLI...I have found 8 casualties with the 12th, 13th, and 15th Battalions, these men's numbers are very close to James number (see links below).....James entered the theatre of war 09/10/15.....David T on the forum sent me some information from his unpublished manuscripts about the 15th Battalion....The 15th Battalion landed in France on the 12th September, 1915.....The battalion received a draft of 388 other ranks on 12/10/15. Just a guess but perhaps James could have been one of these men in the new draft. He may have been wounded then sent back to England and transferred to one of the reserve battalion, DLI...hence his new number......again this is just guess work on my behalf. Try contacting David T on the forum......he is right up on stuff regarding the DLI...he may be able to shed some light on the subject. John http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=564211 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=499056 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=750278 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...?casualty=29852 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...?casualty=67438 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=264421 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=1552224 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=277561 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fossey Posted 4 February , 2006 Share Posted 4 February , 2006 Ron Thanks very much. Where would I get a professional researcher from. John Thanks for all them links. All those numbers do seem very close to each other. I will try contacting David T to see if he can help me. Angela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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