shinglma Posted 6 January , 2006 Share Posted 6 January , 2006 Looking at the medal rolls yesterday at Kew I found the following on the British War and Victory Rolls for the Northumberland Fusiliers. I thought that KR 392 only went up to xxvii? Anyone able to explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 7 January , 2006 Share Posted 7 January , 2006 Typo??One Two Many "X"s or "i"s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinglma Posted 7 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 January , 2006 Typo??One Two Many "X"s or "i"s Thanks for the reply. That's what I wondered. The trouble is that would make the most likely clauses; xviii - At his own request after 18 years service (with a view to pension under the Pay Warrant) or xxvii - After 21 (or more) years qualifying service for pension, and with 5 (or more) years service as warrant officer (with a view to pension under the Pay Warrant) which both seem unlikely for a Pte in the ASC and Northumberland Fusiliers born in 1892. Strange... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 7 January , 2006 Share Posted 7 January , 2006 Mike I copied this from a previous thread - I can't find it at present, so I don't know which member was making the point - it follows a list of the clauses and their interpretation: There appears to be no clause (xvii) and I have also come across clauses not listed here (xxva), (xxviii). I would assume that these were later additions to the regulations. If anyone out there in the ether can give me any further information on the clauses mentioned I would be most grateful. Not sure whether anyone appeared from the ether to help! Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 7 January , 2006 Share Posted 7 January , 2006 Here's the original - it doesn't answer the question though! http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...f=3&t=6812&st=0 Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinglma Posted 7 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 January , 2006 Here's the original - it doesn't answer the question though! http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...f=3&t=6812&st=0 Sue Sue Thanks very much for this. That's a very interesting thread. I wonder if the clause existed at a later date? Would I be right in thinking that an additional clause would appear first in Army Orders? Does anyone know where I should look for this? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan jones Posted 8 January , 2006 Share Posted 8 January , 2006 Mike I copied this from a previous thread - I can't find it at present, so I don't know which member was making the point - it follows a list of the clauses and their interpretation: There appears to be no clause (xvii) and I have also come across clauses not listed here (xxva), (xxviii). I would assume that these were later additions to the regulations. If anyone out there in the ether can give me any further information on the clauses mentioned I would be most grateful. Not sure whether anyone appeared from the ether to help! Sue Hello Sue, My late grandfather was also discharged Para 392{xxviii} I wrote to the NAM and received this reply. After research I believe that Para xxviii KR comes from an amendment to the 1912 KR somewhere between 1914 and 1921 , which the museum does not havea copy of.From other sources I believe that this class was for soldiers who were to be discharged as they were no longer physically fit. My grandfather was discharged 1921 but was not given a pension! Hope this helps, Regards, Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinglma Posted 8 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 8 January , 2006 Alan Thanks for sharing that info. I had begun to wonder whether this was a later amendment. It would be interesting to see how it differed from KR392 xvi (if at all). I think I need to dig deeper on this. Thanks again Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliecoco Posted 8 January , 2006 Share Posted 8 January , 2006 Hi Mike, You know where the library doors are in the MIC room, on the left is the army lists and then on the right hand side there are naval lists, and then next to those are some book shelves which have Kings Regulations written on the top. Do you think that you might find your answer there? Seems to be quite a few books on those shelves. Just a thought. Alie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinglma Posted 8 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 8 January , 2006 Hi Mike, You know where the library doors are in the MIC room, on the left is the army lists and then on the right hand side there are naval lists, and then next to those are some book shelves which have Kings Regulations written on the top. Do you think that you might find your answer there? Seems to be quite a few books on those shelves. Just a thought. Alie. Alie I didn't know that - I'll have a look this week (and maybe even tomorrow if the tube's running). Thanks for the information - I'll let you know if it bears fruit. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan jones Posted 8 January , 2006 Share Posted 8 January , 2006 Alie I didn't know that - I'll have a look this week (and maybe even tomorrow if the tube's running). Thanks for the information - I'll let you know if it bears fruit. Mike Hello Mike, I would be very interested to see if your search for Para 392'bears fruit' Perhaps you could post please, Regards, Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 8 January , 2006 Share Posted 8 January , 2006 This was the last of the KR 392's as it was in 1912 amended to 1914, but there would have been post war amendments to it. Infact amendments would have been entered continuously over the years. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinglma Posted 8 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 8 January , 2006 This was the last of the KR 392's as it was in 1912 amended to 1914, but there would have been post war amendments to it. Infact amendments would have been entered continuously over the years. Graham. Graham Thanks - As a general point how would such amendments be issued - via Army Orders? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 8 January , 2006 Share Posted 8 January , 2006 Mike correct. Here is a section of KR's regarding Discharge that has been amended by a previous AO. This is why I personally find Regulation's, AO's and ACI's a godsend as they clear away the myth and legend. Recently I obtained a genuine copy of Regulations for the Volunteer Force 1901 amended to 31st July 1904 and I discovered that the Territorials were basically carrying their regimental numbers over from the Volunteers and that amalgamated or new Corps, such as 7th Bn,NF created in 1908, would be renumbered entirely. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinglma Posted 9 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 9 January , 2006 Graham Thanks for clarifying that. I think I'll have a look at Kew tomorrow. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinglma Posted 29 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 29 January , 2006 I didn't get time to check the Army orders until late last week. However AO 367 of 1919 which was published on 28th October 1919 did add a class xxviii to the classes of discharge. It simply means "on demobilization" and is "Applicable only to soldiers serving on a duration of war engagement, discharged from Class Z of the Army Reserve on its cessation, or discharged on demobilization after the cessation of Class Z". It's attached below Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan jones Posted 29 January , 2006 Share Posted 29 January , 2006 I didn't get time to check the Army orders until late last week. However AO 367 of 1919 which was published on 28th October 1919 did add a class xxviii to the classes of discharge. It simply means "on demobilization" and is "Applicable only to soldiers serving on a duration of war engagement, discharged from Class Z of the Army Reserve on its cessation, or discharged on demobilization after the cessation of Class Z". It's attached below Mike Hello Mike, Well done! I am glad you have finally solved that query. It makes more sense now in my grandfathers case. Regards, Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnreed Posted 29 January , 2006 Share Posted 29 January , 2006 Please find attached (xxviii) to put in your Kings Regulations and Orders. John xxviii.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnreed Posted 29 January , 2006 Share Posted 29 January , 2006 There is an amendment to my last post. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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