liverpool annie Posted 26 October , 2005 Share Posted 26 October , 2005 20th manchester regt C.coy.10th platoon The Canadian school children are trying to find out about this regiment! Could anybody give any help please ? Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonsstar Posted 26 October , 2005 Share Posted 26 October , 2005 Hi Annie What do you wont to no about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 27 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 27 October , 2005 Hi Annie What do you wont to no about them <{POST_SNAPBACK}> they got this information lance corporal john morewood.No18178 20th manchester regt C.coy.10th platoon killed 1-10-17 tyne cot memorial age 21 born greenhays,salford worked at walker+homfrays,manchester brewery company. i think his brother arthur also worked with him at the brewery Now they want to know ..... Also any suggestions on how I can research C Company. 10th platoon? So I said I would ask! Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Beckett Posted 27 October , 2005 Share Posted 27 October , 2005 Annie, 1 extract from the Roll of Honour Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Beckett Posted 27 October , 2005 Share Posted 27 October , 2005 Pic of C Coy Ps I can't tell you which soldier is John Morewood Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 27 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 27 October , 2005 Pic of C Coy Ps I can't tell you which soldier is John Morewood Peter <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Peter! Thank you so much - they will be thrilled! Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Beckett Posted 27 October , 2005 Share Posted 27 October , 2005 Annie, I have just read some info on the 20th from The Manchester Pals by Mike Steadman page 191. On Oct 1 1917 they were holding lines at the eastern end of Poygon Wood in Jubilee Trench. This to me is very interesting as my grandfather William Beckett was severely wounded on the 1st Oct at the Butte, Polygon Wood Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Beckett Posted 27 October , 2005 Share Posted 27 October , 2005 Annie, Jubilee trench is written upside down on top middle Peter If you PM your email, I can send a much larger sized map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Beckett Posted 27 October , 2005 Share Posted 27 October , 2005 An aerial photo taken by one of the Pals, Iain McHenry for me Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 27 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 27 October , 2005 An aerial photo taken by one of the Pals, Iain McHenry for me Peter <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Peter! Thank you very much for those ! I'm sure you'll be hearing from them! Thanks for your time! Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Tony Posted 27 October , 2005 Share Posted 27 October , 2005 Annie, Jubilee trench is written upside down on top middle Peter If you PM your email, I can send a much larger sized map <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Peter: Thanks for this. It will be a big help. By the way, I noticed one of your granfathers was a William Leyland. Don't suppose he was any relation to the Leylands of Bidston Marsh, Wallasey? The class is also looking for anything on Pte. Joseph Leyland who we think had a cousin named William. Joseph served in the South Lancashire regiment, but we don't know where or when though family lore suggests he was at Ypres, the Somme and Passchendaele. Medal card shows he didn't have '14 or '15 Star. Also it leaves blank the designation Theatre of War which seems to suggest he didn't go overseas, but I may be misinterpreting. Family is admant he did. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 28 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2005 Peter: Thanks for this. It will be a big help. By the way, I noticed one of your granfathers was a William Leyland. Don't suppose he was any relation to the Leylands of Bidston Marsh, Wallasey? The class is also looking for anything on Pte. Joseph Leyland who we think had a cousin named William. Joseph served in the South Lancashire regiment, but we don't know where or when though family lore suggests he was at Ypres, the Somme and Passchendaele. Medal card shows he didn't have '14 or '15 Star. Also it leaves blank the designation Theatre of War which seems to suggest he didn't go overseas, but I may be misinterpreting. Family is admant he did. Tony <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So Tony! What else did you find out? Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 28 October , 2005 Share Posted 28 October , 2005 Tony. 95% of non-1914/15 Star Theatre of War entries are blank. It just means that he went overseas until after 1-1-1916. If he gained the BWM & VM then he served overseas (almost without exception) Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Tony Posted 28 October , 2005 Share Posted 28 October , 2005 Tony. 95% of non-1914/15 Star Theatre of War entries are blank. It just means that he went overseas until after 1-1-1916. If he gained the BWM & VM then he served overseas (almost without exception) Steve. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve: Thanks for the clarification. That's reassuring, since family is darned sure he sreved overseas at Yrpes, Passchendael and the Somme, was wounded, gassed and got shrapnel in his hand. Now I've just got to find a unit of the South Lancashire that matches that description. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Tony Posted 28 October , 2005 Share Posted 28 October , 2005 So Tony! What else did you find out? Annie <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Annie: We've got a guy doing some research for us at the NA. He's found a full set of files on Arthur and Sameul Morewood, but not much on their brother John of the 20th Manchester. But what with has been supplied by you and the folks on this thread, we're in good shape with the Morewoods. Our big hole now is Pte. Joseph Leyland of the South Lancashire Regiment (born 1878 Bidston Marsh, Wallasey and married to Ethel Messhem by the time war starts). Lots of family lore, but little documentary corroboration. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 28 October , 2005 Share Posted 28 October , 2005 Tony. The possibilities: http://www.1914-1918.net/southlancs.htm Eliminate : 1st (India), 8th (Bulgaria), 6th (Mesoptomia/Iraq) Possible : 2nd, 9th, 7th, 12th (Pioneers). All were at Ypres. Unlikely : 1/4th, 1/5th, 2/4th, 2/5th (He has a number from the Regular series not a TF number, though it is not impossible that he could have served with these). All were in France and at Ypres. Others : 12th (Bantam battalion for underheight men) absorbed into the 11th Kings Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment) in 1916 so rather more unlikely than the others. Speculation aside a look at the Medal Rolls referenced to on the MIc will probably give a battalion for him... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 28 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2005 Tony. The possibilities: http://www.1914-1918.net/southlancs.htm Eliminate : 1st (India), 8th (Bulgaria), 6th (Mesoptomia/Iraq) Possible : 2nd, 9th, 7th, 12th (Pioneers). All were at Ypres. Unlikely : 1/4th, 1/5th, 2/4th, 2/5th (He has a number from the Regular series not a TF number, though it is not impossible that he could have served with these). All were in France and at Ypres. Others : 12th (Bantam battalion for underheight men) absorbed into the 11th Kings Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment) in 1916 so rather more unlikely than the others. Speculation aside a look at the Medal Rolls referenced to on the MIc will probably give a battalion for him... Steve. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE(Citizen Tony @ Oct 24 2005, 08:04 PM) Annie: Thanks for the prompt reply. We know that Joseph Leyland was born in Wallasey in 1886 and family history says that he was an engineer before the war. That leads us to wonder whether he might have served with the 17th Bn (Transport workers) raised in Bidston in 1918 to working on Merseyside canal construction. Problem is that this doesn't mesh with family lore which holds that he served in Europe and was gassed at Ypres (6th Battalion doesnlt fit there either). We have Lee Enfield that Joseph handed sown to his son, and it seems unlikely that canal workers were issued firearms, but who knows? We have seen the medal card and not that there is not entry for theatre of War. Does that mean he didn't serve overseas? Tony Tony! I have checked everything I have on the South Lancs - medals and awards - the fatalities - sick and injured - prisoners of war - Ich Dien - and I can't find anything but on your other thread you were talking about 17th Battalion (transport workers) - where did that come from? who told you about that? Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Tony Posted 28 October , 2005 Share Posted 28 October , 2005 Tony. The possibilities: http://www.1914-1918.net/southlancs.htm Eliminate : 1st (India), 8th (Bulgaria), 6th (Mesoptomia/Iraq) Possible : 2nd, 9th, 7th, 12th (Pioneers). All were at Ypres. Unlikely : 1/4th, 1/5th, 2/4th, 2/5th (He has a number from the Regular series not a TF number, though it is not impossible that he could have served with these). All were in France and at Ypres. Others : 12th (Bantam battalion for underheight men) absorbed into the 11th Kings Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment) in 1916 so rather more unlikely than the others. Speculation aside a look at the Medal Rolls referenced to on the MIc will probably give a battalion for him... Steve. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve: Thanks for the suggestions. I'll keep you posted. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Tony Posted 28 October , 2005 Share Posted 28 October , 2005 Tony! I have checked everything I have on the South Lancs - medals and awards - the fatalities - sick and injured - prisoners of war - Ich Dien - and I can't find anything but on your other thread you were talking about 17th Battalion (transport workers) - where did that come from? who told you about that? Annie <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Annie: The 17th Bn. was just speculation on my part. It was raised in Bidston (Joseph's hometown) and Joseph had been a railway fireman. Also he was married with four kids when war broke out and might have wanted to stay close to home. But this was a unit raised in 1917 which only served at home, which doesn't mesh with family's very vivid recollection of Joseph's war which had him overseas at Ypres, the Somme and Passchendaele. Steve has already noted that his medals are almost certain proof he was overseas. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted 28 October , 2005 Share Posted 28 October , 2005 they got this information lance corporal john morewood.No18178 etc <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Phew! the forum has done a good job for you here Annie ( and I hope you're still looking after Gunner Ellis for me) well done Peter and Steve here is Cpl Morewood's name on the memorial this is the title he would have (proudly) worn on his shoulder and this would have been his cap badge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted 28 October , 2005 Share Posted 28 October , 2005 roll of honour from walkers brewery Walker and Homfrays, info exists in the Manchester Archive (manc archives) they were taken over by Wilsons brewery which is still a going concern in Newton heath, manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 28 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2005 roll of honour from walkers brewery Walker and Homfrays, info exists in the Manchester Archive (manc archives) they were taken over by Wilsons brewery which is still a going concern in Newton heath, manchester <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Steve ! How are you? I don't know about anybody else but I'm seeing little blue boxes with question marks!! That's great seeing the memorial - and I'm sure the kids will be thrilled with the other stuff too! Thanks for your help - by the way Sidney is still looking for a home - I'll send you a PM - if I can get it to work!! Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted 29 October , 2005 Share Posted 29 October , 2005 Hi Steve ! How are you? I don't know about anybody else but I'm seeing little blue boxes with question marks!! That's great seeing the memorial - and I'm sure the kids will be thrilled with the other stuff too! Thanks for your help - by the way Sidney is still looking for a home - I'll send you a PM - if I can get it to work!! Annie <{POST_SNAPBACK}> :-) err it's chris but never mind that all the pics are coming up for me, it might be your security settings (??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 29 October , 2005 Share Posted 29 October , 2005 I have to admit that I can't see them either, and these are the first pics that I haven't been able to see since the Forum was updated six months ago. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted 29 October , 2005 Share Posted 29 October , 2005 I have to admit that I can't see them either, and these are the first pics that I haven't been able to see since the Forum was updated six months ago. Steve. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> hmm they come up fine for me for some reason, anyway i shall attach them rather than link them Tyne cot memorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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