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How long is a piece of string?

Early in the war (1914-1916)

DSOs, VCs etc. - 1 month.

MCs, DCMs - 2 months.

MMs - 3 months.

In 1917 the MCs and DCMs delay seemed to grow, probably due to the adding of citations. - approx 3-4 months, lengthening as 1917 went on.

MMs still about 3 months.

In 1918 everything went to pot. The more mobile war probably had a lot to do with it.

MMs - 4 months in early 1918 to 6-9 months by 1919.

MCs, DCMs - 5 to 12 months, lengthening as 1918 went on. Some MC/DCM citations appeared as late as 1920.

William Soutar's DCM was 1916 so probably 2 months.

Hope this helps,

Steve.

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Thanks Steve I'm just trying to get a idea of when the award ceremony was.

Jim

If it was an award ceremony in the field, the Unit Diary MAY include it; many Battalions of the Bedfords did ....

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The date of the award ceremony bears no relation to the gazette entry and, in most cases, the award preceded the entry by some margins. For immediate bravery awards, a recommendation was made shortly after the relevant action and, if sanctioned, the award would follow within a matter of weeks thereafter, depending on operational requirements. So, thinking of examples in my own collection, a 1916 DCM was awarded in early November for an action in late September and which was gazetted in late November; a 1918 MC was awarded in early September for an action in early August and gazetted in mid November; a 1918 MM was awarded in November for an action in June and gazetted in October 1919. A posthumous MM was awarded in August 1917 for an action in May in which the recipient earned his medal and was killed -gazetted in July. Make of that what you will !

Bear in mind also the annual New Year and Birthday awards, although these would normally reflect service over a period. As with current awards, it is likely that the recipient knew that the award was being made before the entry, but the award would be made sometime after. Again, I can cite the example of a New Year 1919 MC where the award ceremony took place at Buckingham Palace in February 1919.

Regards

David

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Hello

I have seen a MM awarded to the Coldstream Guards (J Marks) around October 1916 - the man was discharged due to wounds around late 1915 - work that one out!

Ian

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Ian,

Simple. The MM was not instituted until 1916! However many COs recommended men for retrospective acts.

Regards

Steve

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  • 2 weeks later...

Hello

I did know it wasnt introduced until later :P but didnt know they back dated awards. I seem to recall the catalogue said it was awarded for the Somme. Obviosly not the 1916 Somme.. :lol:

Ian

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