niall mallon Posted 21 August , 2005 Share Posted 21 August , 2005 Hi Seeking information on Captain William Francis Allsopp from this regiment , reason to believe he was taken prisoner during 1914-1918 war and was given an award of some sort, any information greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 21 August , 2005 Share Posted 21 August , 2005 No William Francis Allsopp in NZEF only William Henry Alsop AJ Alsopp George Henry Allsop and, the most likely. Surname ALLSOPP Given Name Frank Category Nominal Roll Vol. 1 Regimental Number 13/264 Rank Sergeant Body or Draft Main Body Unit or Regiment Auckland Mounted Rifles Marital Status S Last NZ Address Wiri Papatoetoe Auckland Next of Kin Title W Next of Kin Surname ALLSOPP Next of Kin Address Heathyard Farm Stafford England I live in Papatoetoe, Auckland, so may be able to find out more about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niall mallon Posted 21 August , 2005 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2005 Thank you Christine that last one Frank is him the Auckland mounted rifles grateful for any more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 21 August , 2005 Share Posted 21 August , 2005 Bloody Gallipoli; Richard Stowers Allsopp, Frank 13/264 Mention in despatches Sgt Auckland Mounted Rifles LG 28 January 1916 p1210 in connection with the operations described in Gen I Hamilton's despatch dated 11 December 1915 NZ Recommendations Allsopp Frank Sgt 13/264 Chunuk Bair 9 August For gallant conduct and fine leading of his troop under heavy bomb and shell fire at a critical time on Chunuk Bair If you read the "90 years ago" section for this date, you will find out what was going on. No actual mention in the text of Allsopp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 21 August , 2005 Share Posted 21 August , 2005 He does not appear to have been captured at Gallipoli, if he was a POW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 21 August , 2005 Share Posted 21 August , 2005 I checked my list of NZ Pows and he is in it Frank Allsopp captured 3 August 1916 Afion Kara Hissar Camp, Turkey presumably during service somewhere else in middle East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niall mallon Posted 22 August , 2005 Author Share Posted 22 August , 2005 Thank you so much for that information Christine that is my Grandfathers brother, I would have loved to have gotten that kind of information on my Grandfather unfortunately his records were lost in England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Dunlop Posted 24 August , 2005 Share Posted 24 August , 2005 Niall, from the date, I would say Frank was captured at the Battle of Romani. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niall mallon Posted 24 August , 2005 Author Share Posted 24 August , 2005 Thanks Robert dont know much about that battle, would you know when he became a Captain, it seems he was sent back to England for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Dunlop Posted 24 August , 2005 Share Posted 24 August , 2005 Niall, I can't answer your last question. You will find plenty of descriptions of the battle if you type 'Battle Romani' into Google. It was a significant action, being the last major attempt by a Turko-German-Austrian force to advance to the Suez, mainly with the intent of inciting Egyptian Arabs to overthrow the British rather than displace the British with military force. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff S Posted 26 August , 2005 Share Posted 26 August , 2005 Suggest you may be interested in this book. It was republished last year. STORY OF TWO CAMPAIGNS. OFFICIAL WAR HISTORY OF THE AUCKLAND MOUNTED RIFLES REGIMENT, 1914-1919 by Sgt C.G.Nicol As he was an officer, and was captured at or near Romani, he would almost certainly have been named in the book. Quite a few Anzac Mtd Div men were captured during that important battle which took place in the main between the 4th and 5th of August 1916. Cheers Geoff S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niall mallon Posted 26 August , 2005 Author Share Posted 26 August , 2005 Thank you so much for that information Geoff, I will try and get that Book Cheers Niall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aconnolly Posted 28 August , 2005 Share Posted 28 August , 2005 Niall F Allsopp, Attested 22/8/14, 2/Lt 21/10/15, obtained rank of Captain 3/2/18. Mentioned in Despatches. POW. "Struck off" NZEF strength 25/6/19. Data from "Records of the NZEF" by Studholme. I'm looking at an AMR history by Nicol now. Will update if any more info. Regards Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aconnolly Posted 28 August , 2005 Share Posted 28 August , 2005 Niall 13/264 F Allsopp wounded Gallipoli 8/8/15 Rank at time was Sergent. Pg 75-76 of Nicol referring to the August assault "its (AMR) total strength was 66, this including sick men who had not gone into the advance. Of the 288 officers and men who went into the advance, only 22 remained: Captain H Smith, .....Sergent Allsop, and 15 rank and file." Pg 108 (Aug 1 1916)....." the troops of Finlayson and Allsopp were in touch with enemy patrols, and were able to send in valuable information as to the activities of the enemy at Hamisah". Pg 114-5 (Aug 8) " on a board at Oghratina was found a message which confirmed the belief that Lt Allsopp and his patrol had been taken prisoner on the night of August 3. The message read: " Here was a German artillerie observation post and had seen all the movements of the English cavaliere. Lt Allsopp, AM Rifles, now a prisoner of war - a gentleman - had eaten in our batterie."" Appears he and his men were sent on a bit of a wild goose chase and the Turks captured them at night. One man, Sgt Cheetham escaped. Eight others including Allsopp were captured. Can't see any other refers. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niall mallon Posted 28 August , 2005 Author Share Posted 28 August , 2005 Thanks a million for all that information Andrew delighted to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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