Stephen Nulty Posted 28 June , 2005 Share Posted 28 June , 2005 Just a quick query following a discussion in the pub. There are many memorials to the missing (Menin Gate, Tyne Cot, etc.), showing many, many thousands of names. Are the any figures (even just approximations) of the numbers of men recorded on these memorials as having no known grave and also the number of actual graves which hold an unidentified occupant? I realise that the number of missing will vastly exceed the number of unidentified, but was curious as to the actual numbers (or as near as is known). Many thanks S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 28 June , 2005 Share Posted 28 June , 2005 Stephen This was discussed recently See my posts in this thread http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...topic=33963&hl= According to the official figures there are still 143440 Commonwealth WW1 men without a grave in France and Belgium - either still lying undiscovered under the soil or blown to pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogal Posted 28 June , 2005 Share Posted 28 June , 2005 ...beat me to it. I got sidetracked in reading the thread. It is very interesting. regards doogal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 28 June , 2005 Share Posted 28 June , 2005 appalling, more like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Nulty Posted 28 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 28 June , 2005 Terry Many thanks for that. Not sure how I missed that thread !! Perhaps I was working ! Your figure of 143440 is exactly what I was trying to find out. Hope I don't start another discussion like the one you linked to Regards Stephen Nulty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogal Posted 28 June , 2005 Share Posted 28 June , 2005 appalling, more like <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes, better put like that. doogal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 28 June , 2005 Share Posted 28 June , 2005 Steve, In the thread Terry referred to I mentioned approx. (almost ?) 50.000 men (British) who have no grave (not even an unknown) grave in the Salient. (Just subtracting the approx. number of existing Unknown graves from the total of names on Menin Gate and Tyne Cot Memorial panels.) These following figures might be a bit more accurate (dating from 1988 however, for the whole of Belgium, and for both WW1 and 2) Belgium 204.810 CWGC men WW1 : 194.718 (among them approx. 175.000 Ypres Salient) WW2 : 10.092 Of these 204.810 : - known grave : 102.456 (= 50%) - missing : 102.354 names on the Missing memorials. Of these : 48.491 have a grave Known unto God (47,3%), the rest only have a name on the Memorial. (So as I said, more than 50% (for all of Belgium and both wars, but the proportion must be approx. the same for Ypres WW1.) Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Nulty Posted 28 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 28 June , 2005 Aurel Thanks for the information, which is very sobering. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 28 June , 2005 Share Posted 28 June , 2005 Steve, There is something you have to explain. First you start (in your opening post) about "discussions in a pub". Then in a reply to Terry you write : "Perhaps I was working". Then I add a posting, and ... 3 minutes later there is a reply from you. My question : what exactly are you doing : spending your time in pubs, or working, or ... ? And maybe "spending time in a pub" is "working" too ? Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Nulty Posted 28 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 28 June , 2005 Aurel You know me too well!!! I was in the pub last night as it was pub quiz night, hence my original question, which came up in a conversation I had. Actually I will be in the pub again tonight because I became an uncle for the 15th time at 6.30 this morning and there is some head-wetting to be done !! I said "Perhaps I was working" because now that I am working for the NHS instead of the Criminal Records Bureau, I actually have a lot of work to do....Really !! Our current web site is www.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk Because I am so busy working, I don't have as much time for visiting the forum, although today I am "working from home", so have a full time internet connection. Spending time in the pub is indeed work, and very hard work too. I can recommend it. Best wishes Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurel Sercu Posted 28 June , 2005 Share Posted 28 June , 2005 (1) (...) Actually I will be in the pub again tonight because I became an uncle for the 15th time at 6.30 this morning and there is some head-wetting to be done !! (2) I said "Perhaps I was working" because now that I am working for the NHS instead of the Criminal Records Bureau, I actually have a lot of work to do....Really !! (3) Because I am so busy working, I don't have as much time for visiting the forum, although today I am "working from home", so have a full time internet connection. (4) Spending time in the pub is indeed work, and very hard work too. Steve <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve, (1) I'm sure you encourage your brothers and sisters (in law) to have as many children as possible. (2) What a nice and original way to say that there are more sick people in the UK than criminals. (3) Yes I noticed it must have been a busy spell, for it took you 18 minutes to reply this time ! (4) Hard work ? Absolutely ! For the publican. If you are in the pub. (5) I didn't add any smileys, because doing that I would have exceeded the limit. (6) Sorry to other Forum members for going off Topic. Aurel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 28 June , 2005 Share Posted 28 June , 2005 When you contemplate the 143,000 plus men (and women no doubt) who literally passed from the sight of men to the ultimate extent, it makes you thank heaven for those who had the vision to establish the IWGC, complete its titanic task and create the magnificent framework of Remembrance we are blessed with today. They brought these poor unfortunate people back into the family of man and assured them of honour and Remembrance in perpetuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted 29 June , 2005 Share Posted 29 June , 2005 ianw couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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