John_Hartley Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 My researchee is Sgt Sydney Chevin Hall who died on 14/4/18 and is buried in Stockport Borough Cemetery. I can't find him on SDGW and the CWGC site lists no unit. I'm presuming, therefore, he had probably been discharged soem time before. His number was S4/126066 and I'd be glad of any advice from ASC experts about what this might tell me about his service or when he might have enlisted. My other puzzle with this man is one of identity. His MIC confirms his first names but the only person I can find on FreeBMD was born in 1867 - making him 51 when he died - surely too old. His place of birth was Marylebone and he appears to have been resident in London at the time of the Census. Assuming it's the same bloke, at some point he marries Eliza (and I can't find that) who is listed by CWGC as living in Stockport. Doncha just hate half-stories from research - I'd rather have found zilch. Any thoughts, chaps (gender non-specific of course) John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud Trevor Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 John, The S4 prefix indicates a Labourer for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th New Armies. Maybe of some use, Regards, Spud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 The S4 prefix indicates a Labourer for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th New Armies. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Specifically , it's the number of a 4th New Army Supplies Labourer. (S1 is 1st N.A., S2 is 2nd NA, etc.) Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 john/dave,does that mean hes in the lab corps,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 john/dave,does that mean hes in the lab corps,bernard <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No. It means he's a , for want of a better word, a "manual worker" in the ASC - a "shifter", a "packer", a "carrier" or whatever. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 john,could this be him. 1881 census family- george,b hall, dyed silk dealer age 33 charlotte age 33 children. george,b jnr 10 augustus,w. 5 john,s. 3 sydney,c. 3mths lottie,r 1 he was born queens rd,finsbury pk. his family address was, 6 rothburn villas,stroud green rd,london,m/sex his father was an ex gunner 1901.sydney hall age 19,gunner,born m/sex,living/stationed,IOW. if he is your man john,it would make him about 36/37 when he died bernard ps.theres no fun when they are easy to find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 Bernard, Sydney Hall on the 1901 Census as a soldier on the IOW is Sydney Joseph Hall. RGA, Golden Hill Forts. I don't think he is Sydney Chevin Hall. Sorry, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 steve at least john can rule him out,nice one,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 My other puzzle with this man is one of identity. His MIC confirms his first names but the only person I can find on FreeBMD was born in 1867 - making him 51 when he died - surely too old. His place of birth was Marylebone and he appears to have been resident in London at the time of the Census. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> John With such an unusual middle name I can't imagine why you even want to dismiss him on the grounds of age! I would go with the 51 year old - it will make a much better story! I've had a quick browse through other censuses, and the Sidneys tend to waver with spelling - using both a 'y' and an 'i' at different times - it might need his birth certificate to name his parents and make the search much easier. Not that you would necessarily want to fork out the dosh. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Trying to find a suitable candidate for the 1867 Sydney. He must be related! How about this family: Living at 48 Hazelbourne Road, Balham Hill, Streatham, London. Sydney Hall abt 1866 London, England Head Lizzie Hall abt 1872 Stockport, Cheshire, England Wife Sydney P Hall abt 1895 Rosano, Argentina Son Mary G Hall abt 1896 London, England Daughter Lucy F Hall abt 1899 Buenos Ayres Daughter Sidney "P" doesn't quite fit but the others seem right. "Lizzie" = Eliza ? I know this is going against my previous post about Bernard's man's middle name not fitting, but probably worth considering... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Yes, yes Steve - you're right - it's the 1867 Sydney John wants - not the 1895 one! Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 And looking at the birth places of the children the story gets more intriguing by the minute Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Sydney Snr. seems to be some sort of "........... traveller" but I can't read the first part. I'll post an image later once I'm on my own computer... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Not as exotic as it could be - looks like 'ironmongers traveller.' Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Lund Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 51 is not to old. During the 1918 reorganisation of the army a 51 Huddersfield infantryman who had enlisted in 1914, was transferred to the Labour Corps only to be killed by shellfire whilst shovelling coal. Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philary Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Hello Just to remind you that freebmd is not a complete record, not all areas and years have been transcribed so that your particular man may not be appearing yet. Have you tried 1837 online, unfortunately this is a pay per view. Hilary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 15 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 15 June , 2005 You guys are just The Business!!! Let me see if I now have this about right:- Sydney Chevin Hall's birth is registered at Marylebone in the March quarter, 1867. He later marries a woman from Stockport (Eliza/Lizzie) In the 1890s they have 3 children (a couple born in interesting places) At the 1901 Census, the family is living in Streatham, where Sydney works as an Ironmongers' Traveller. Sometime after that, but before 1918, Eliza (and, no doubt, the rest of the family) take up residence back in her home town. During the War, he's a labourer with an ASC Company, seeing overseas service. At some point, he is wounded or becomes ill and returns to the UK. He is probably discharged from the Army (hence no Company information on CWGC/SDGW). And he later dies. Does that all sound OK? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 And just in case you should ever need this information - the reference for his death certificate: June quarter 1918 Registration district - Stockport Volume 8a Page 75 Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Dont dismiss a 51 year old. There is one buried in my local cemetery, Kings Royal Rifle Corps Sergeant. Terry Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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