chris.wight Posted 29 May , 2005 Share Posted 29 May , 2005 I was browsing Ebay this evening and saw a framed "Old Contemptibles Association" certificate to H. Turner, M.C., M.M. I was curious to see if I could find any further background on him but a search through the London Gazette and the M.I.C.s gave no results. Would anyone have further information? (I should add I don't plan on bidding on this, more a case of my own curiousity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eviltaxman Posted 29 May , 2005 Share Posted 29 May , 2005 I saw this the other day and considered going for it - as I collect things to Turner (that's me!). I also did a search on the MIC's & LG and came up empty. However there is one H Turner (Henry) that comes up several times on the MIC.... no. 6406. He's shown as Private on 2 and Private then Lt on another. Given the low number (and the facy I know next to nothing about when regimental numbers were issued), I thought this might be the man..... but probably not Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpm Posted 29 May , 2005 Share Posted 29 May , 2005 Hi Chris, According to the book 'Army Honours and Awards' there is a Lt H. TURNER, M.M., Royal Welsh Fusiliers who was awarded the Military Cross. No further details published. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 29 May , 2005 Share Posted 29 May , 2005 London Gazette 15-2-1919 (Published 14-2-1919) Awarded the Military Cross: 2nd Lt. Henry Turner, M.M., 2nd Bn., R.W. Fus. London Gazette 30-7-1919 (Published 29-7-1919) Military Cross Citation: 2nd Lt. Henry Turner, M.M., 2nd Bn. R.W. Fus. For ability, initiative and gallantry during the attack on Villers-Outreaux on the morning of October 8th, 1918. He led his company most resolutely to their objective and forced 21 of the enemy to surrender after killing and wounding several, with the result that the company on his flank was able to get forward. The success of the operation which was carried out under very heavy machine-gun fire was due to his gallant leadership. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.wight Posted 29 May , 2005 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2005 Thank-you Les, Ian and Steve for your replies! Les, I think you have found the right man in the M.I.C.s. Steve, I tried again to find his M.M. but no luck; I guess this is one of those elusive ones. That is one downside to the on-line London Gazette, it holds so much useful information but actually finding it can be so difficult and frustrating at times (it is fun though when you do find something! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 29 May , 2005 Share Posted 29 May , 2005 (edited) It certainly is Chris. I seem to be on a little bit of a roll at the moment with the LG. That said, I can't find the MM either! Steve. (Edited to remove English bread joke that a Canadian probably wouldn't get!) Edited 29 May , 2005 by Stebie9173 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.wight Posted 29 May , 2005 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2005 Steve, I found his M.M. ! I went back and had a look at the three M.I.C. cards with his name and two have his rank as Serjeant, so I entered "Sjt. H. Turner" and up it came. He was listed in London Gazette Issue 29731, 1st September, 1916, link to issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.wight Posted 29 May , 2005 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2005 (Edited to remove English bread joke that a Canadian probably wouldn't get!) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 29 May , 2005 Share Posted 29 May , 2005 The joke was "I'm on a roll... Well a small bap anyway". (A bap being a small round roll-type loaf thingy. Do you call them that over in Canada?) A was looking for the MM in the LG and Acrobat crashed on me. I think that issue was one of the ones I was downloading. Perhaps my roll has been eaten. I see that 19th Brigade were at the 1st Day of the Somme at Ovillers. No comment on a possible date of action... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.wight Posted 29 May , 2005 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2005 Steve, I don't think the term bap is too familiar here (maybe in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland) but I've heard it heard it before; my Mom and Dad were both from Scotland and I spent several summers with my Gran in Fife while growing up. The M.M. can be so mysterious with their lack of background information....does make one speculate the where, when and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eviltaxman Posted 29 May , 2005 Share Posted 29 May , 2005 A bap by any other name name is a sandwich Les (who loves his baps!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 29 May , 2005 Share Posted 29 May , 2005 Les, Now does a Canadian know what baps is the colloquial term for?! Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.wight Posted 30 May , 2005 Author Share Posted 30 May , 2005 Now does a Canadian know what baps is the colloquial term for?! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 'Fraid not, Steve. No doubt something amusing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eviltaxman Posted 30 May , 2005 Share Posted 30 May , 2005 Chris, There's two types of "bap".... and one of 'em is a bready product and the other, ask the missus Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 4 June , 2005 Share Posted 4 June , 2005 Commissioned 28 11 17, 24 07 18 reported for duty 2 RWFD, 23 08 18 wounded probably C Coy [wounded in eye own goal grenade] an experienced officer, a new company commander risen from ranks, 15 11 18 MC, contributed to "The War the Infantry Knew" from my data base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.wight Posted 5 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 5 June , 2005 Thank-you David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nhuitson Posted 28 July , 2005 Share Posted 28 July , 2005 Hallo-my friend and I are new to this.She is looking on behalf of her father,who would love to know more about his fathers war.His name was George Edward Dale, dob 15.11.1891.He was in 1st Battalion Royal Welsh Fusiliers (regimental number 31705) during the first world war,and he was awarded the military medal-date of gazette 17 dec 1917.he would very much like to know where and when he served,and what this would have been awarded for?we have found his record card on national archives.It says his registered paper was 68/121/364 and schedule number was 117905.we are sorry to be so naive,but we would love to help him out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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