channelhopper Posted 8 May , 2005 Share Posted 8 May , 2005 Can anyone please shed any light on the following soldiers date of death. SDGW shows 22027 Pte William Graham died on the 1st July 1916 with the 12th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers. However CWGC shows date of death as 3rd July 1916 C Coy 4th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers. Whilst I appreciate he was probably attached to say the 4th Bn I am confused as to the correct date of death. Can anyone help please ? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambo Posted 8 May , 2005 Share Posted 8 May , 2005 Peter I have a copy of a book called "Soldiers killed on the First Day of the Somme" which has your man with the 12th bettalion killed on the 1st of July. Having said all that I would guess that SDGW was a major source for the author so no further foward really. Good luck in your quest Hambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birkettm Posted 8 May , 2005 Share Posted 8 May , 2005 Fear that you will never manage to solve this one. Ive got a BWM to a casualty to the Northumberland Fusiliers where SDGW and CWGC have the month and day reversed in his DoD. Cant see how you would ever resolve the difference.... Just my opinion. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyford Posted 8 May , 2005 Share Posted 8 May , 2005 Peter I will not be going for a few days but I will check the War Diaries of the 2 Battalions in case they have casualty appendices for the month of July 1916. Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channelhopper Posted 9 May , 2005 Author Share Posted 9 May , 2005 Thanks to Hambo and Marc for their input. Sandy Thanks for that, I will let my friend know and await your advices. Kind Regards Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyford Posted 10 May , 2005 Share Posted 10 May , 2005 Peter No luck in Casualty Listings, I'm afraid. Neither Battalion has these useful appendices. Usually I would think that CWGC was the more accurate. However, here is the War Diary for the 4th Batt. N. F. for the 1st to the 3rd July 1916. I didn't have time to note all their movements but they were near to Brulooze. Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyford Posted 10 May , 2005 Share Posted 10 May , 2005 On the other hand the 12th Battalion were very much in the thick of it at Fricourt. The diary for the 1st to the 3rd July 1916 takes 3 pages. I have copied them and will Email them to you separately, if you like. The fighting on 3rd July was particularly heavy. On the 5th July the diary sums up the action and I have enclosed this summary. It does seem more likely that Pte. Graham was with them when he died. Is he commemorated or buried? Perhaps he was Missing on the day which could lead to confusion over dates. I checked back to see if there was any mention of drafts of 4th Batt. men. I couldn't see any mention in the immediate 2 months but there was a draft of 32 OR from the 3rd Battalion on 27th May 1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channelhopper Posted 13 May , 2005 Author Share Posted 13 May , 2005 Kate Thanks for your reply and time taken. Could I trouble you please to email the pages to me as offered. Many Thanks Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted 13 May , 2005 Share Posted 13 May , 2005 William Graham is on Scottish National War Memorial. see www.snwm.org Surname GRAHAM Firstname William Service number 22027 Date of death 01/07/1916 Decoration Place of birth Glasgow Other 12th Bn. SNWM roll SCOTTISH CASUALTIES EXTRACTED FROM ENGLISH REGIMENTS Rank Pte Theatre of death F.& F. also on and just to confuse things is Surname GRAHAM Firstname William Service number 20/6 Date of death 01/07/1916 Decoration Place of birth Frinby Hants Other 20th Bn. SNWM roll THE NORTHUMBERLAND FUSILIERS (TYNESIDE SCOTTISH) Rank Pte Theatre of death F.& F. there is a William Graham died 3rd July but he was HLI. 70 William Grahams died in WW1. Aye Malcolm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyford Posted 13 May , 2005 Share Posted 13 May , 2005 Looks like he was born in Glasgow. May have been in the 4th N.F. but was killed whilst attached or tansferred to 12th N.F. His number does not look like a 4th N.F. Territorials number. Perhaps a SDGW search of both Battalions on the CD would help with the range of numbers. 12th battalion had quite a number of casualties killed and Missing between 1st & 3rd July. I can't find him for sure on the MICs. Will try the 1901 census although there are probably quite a lot of William Grahams in the Glasgow & Northumberland area on the census. Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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