C.E.F,ROLL OF HONOUR

[bernardmcilwaine]

FULL ROLL OF ALL THOSE CANADIANS WHO DIED IN WW1,INCLUDING THOSE WHO DIED SERVING WITH NON CANADIAN UNITS,CAN LOOK UP ANY NAME.

[Borden Battery]

Hello Bernard

To add to your kind offer, here is a further listing of Great War Honour sites that might be of interest to you and future postings on your discussion thread. It is from a section of a project by the CEF Study Group [formerly the "Canadian Pals"].

May I ask the name of the document for future reference?

Regards

Borden Battery

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Great War Honour Websites - Part 7

Note: CEF Study Group member websites denoted with asterisk "*"

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Canadian Book of Remembrance

The Books of Remembrance contain the names of Canadians who fought in wars and died either during or after them. All the books are kept in the Memorial Chamber located in the Peace Tower on Parliament Hill. The purpose of creating a site that displays these books on the Internet is to make them more accessible to the public. Quite aptly named are these testaments to Canada's past, for by their very title they remind us to never forget the foundations of courage on which Canada is built.

http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/200/301/i...ks/remember.htm

The Canadian Virtual War Memorial

This site contains a registry of information about the graves memorials of more than 116,000 Canadians and Newfoundlanders who served valiantly and gave their lives for their country.

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm...ions/virtualmem

The Maple Leaf Legacy Project

A Project in Remembrance of Canada's War Dead. The aim of the Maple Leaf Legacy Project is to photograph or obtain a photograph of every Canadian War Grave of the 20th Century. These photos will be made freely available on the project's web site. The project relies solely on the kind assistance of the hundreds of volunteers and sponsors around the world to get the photographs or to donate funds to help pay for the good work of the project. The Maple Leaf Legacy Project is a registered charity and can issue charitable tax receipts.

http://www.mapleleaflegacy.ca/

Royal Bank of Canada - Great War Honour Roll

A total of 1,495 Royal Bank staff members enlisted for active service. Of these, 186 were killed in action or died in hospital and five were missing in action. After the war, 786 employees were reinstated, while 516 elected not to return to the bank. In 1920, Royal Bank published a Roll of Honour commemorating those staff members who died or were missing in action - this is the main feature of this site.

http://www.rbc.com/history/in_remembrance/ww1.html

142 St. Andrew's College Highland Cadet Corps

St. Andrew's distinguished Army Cadet Corps. Cadets have been a part of school life since 1905. There is a good honour site for WWI and WWII soldiers.

http://kilby.sac.on.ca/ActivitiesClubs/cad...ory/History.htm

Assiniboia, MN - Anavets – Unit 283

A simple honour roll listing soldiers from both the Great War and the Second World War. Someone might take interest to research more information on these men.

http://anavets283.com/honour.html

Montreal Roll of Honour

Honours all Anglo-Montrealers who served in various wars from the Napoleonic to present. The list of those who served with some cases having a link to history/photos/papers of the individual, plus an email address for the writer. This site would enable researchers to contact family/persons with an interest in this person.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~qcmtl-w/RollofHonour.htm

Nominal Roll of CEF Nursing Sisters: Killed or Died Overseas in Great War

A simple list of nursing casualties linked to Attestation Papers will be of interest to researchers of the medical elements of the Great War.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/05/0518/05...01061002_e.html

Native Veterans Association of Northwestern Ontario

Honour Roll of World War I (1914 -1918) Indian Soldiers of Robinson-Superior 1950 Treaty, Treaty #3, and Treaty #9 that served in World War I.

http://collections.ic.gc.ca/nativeterans/honourI.htm

*The South Africa War Graves Project

The goal of the South Africa War Graves Project is to archive photographs of every single South African & Rhodesian war grave from the 2nd Anglo-Boer War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Rand Revolt, Freedom Struggle, Angola-Border War to present day. These photos will either be in the format of a picture of a headstone or a name on a memorial.

http://www.southafricawargraves.org/

Ypres Graveyard Photos

Website is still under construction but shows much promise both in terms of format and content.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dccfarr/photos.htm

War Memorials, Historic Monuments and Plaques in Nova Scotia

A listing of war memorials and cenotaphs in Nova Scotia, often with photographs.

http://www.newscotland1398.net/remem/plaques.html

Brockville Memorial Website [April 2005]

This web site is dedicated to the memory of those Brockville citizens who served in World War 1, World War 2, Korean War, and U.N. Peacekeeping. Organization of Military Museums of Canada (OMMC) started this project, as an organization who wishes to create a complete online database of all Military Memorials in Canada. It is simple and tasteful with a listing of soldiers and medal recipients.

http://www.brockvillemuseum.com/MilitaryMemorial/index.html

Port Hope Memorial Website [April 2005]

This is an on-line version of a book put together, in 1919, to commemorate those who served from Port Hope. Clicking on the book photo will take you to a Roll of Honour, plus some men have detailed bios plus photos. Also a list of nursing sisters from the area plus awards received by those of Port Hope. Very nicely done.

http://www.nhb.com/hunter/Remembrance.htm

Military Memorials in Canada [April 2005]

This site is dedicated to cataloging Military Memorials in Canada and is meant as a supplement to the National Inventory maintained by the Directorate of History and Heritage. There is an excellent section on how to photograph Memorials. At present the site is focussed on Memorials in Ontario and is still being developed. The mix of photos and detailed information for the existing entries is excellent. In the future, sites in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick will be added. It is a site well worth visiting and keeping an eye on as it develops.

http://www.5thwheel.com/memorial/default.htm

[armourersergeant]

Are you able to tell me who was the first Canadain member of the PPCLI killed in the war. I have a few photos of some early 1915 jan gravestones that i think may be the first but!!!

regards

Arm.

[bernardmcilwaine]

Are you able to tell me who was the first Canadain member of the PPCLI killed in the war. I have a few photos of some early 1915 jan gravestones that i think may be the first but!!!

regards

Arm.

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HELLO ARM,I HAVE THE NOMINAL ROLL OF THE PPCLI WHO CAME OVER IN 1914 BUT I DONT KNOW WHO DIED FIRST,SORRY

[armourersergeant]

HELLO ARM,I HAVE THE NOMINAL ROLL OF THE PPCLI WHO CAME OVER IN 1914 BUT I DONT KNOW WHO DIED FIRST,SORRY

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Not a problem, I was just curious as it was the earliest grave i could find in the cemetery and i knew they came over to France etc in early 1915 so i felt it may have been him.

Below is a pic of the gravestone.

regards

Arm.

[westkent78]

FULL ROLL OF ALL THOSE CANADIANS WHO DIED IN WW1,INCLUDING THOSE WHO DIED SERVING WITH NON CANADIAN UNITS,CAN LOOK UP ANY NAME.

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Hello Bernard,

Thank you for your kind offer.

Would it be possible for you to consult your source for these four individuals:

503114 Sapper A.J. Camp Canadian Engineers 19/10/17

126184 Private G. Camp West Ontario Regiment 19/9/16

472879 Private H.E. Camp Saskatchewan Regiment 12/04/1917

3081869 Private Thomas Camp Quebec Regiment 02/05/1921

Thank you for your help.

Regards,

Matthew

[bernardmcilwaine]

Hello Bernard,

Thank you for your kind offer.

Would it be possible for you to consult your source for these four individuals:

503114 Sapper A.J. Camp  Canadian Engineers  19/10/17

126184 Private G. Camp  West Ontario Regiment  19/9/16

472879 Private H.E. Camp  Saskatchewan Regiment  12/04/1917

3081869 Private Thomas Camp  Quebec Regiment  02/05/1921

Thank you for your help.

Regards,

Matthew

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HIYA MATHEW,SORRY ABOUT THE LATE REPLY,I WAS SEEING AN OLD BUDDY OFF TO HIS LAST POSTING,I HAVE JUST SENT THE GAP FILLERS IME ASSUMING YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE BURIED,IF NOT GIVE US A SHOUT, HERE GOES, ARCHIE,JOHN CAMP,11TH FIELD COY,CE,KIA, GEORGE CAMP,1ST BATT,AGE 32,KIA, HARRY,EDWARD CAMP,46TH BATT,KIA,THEIR NAME,RANK, AND NUMBER MATCH YOUR INFO,EXCEPT THOMAS CAMP,23RD RES BATT,2009768,DIED OF PHTHISIS,BURIED IN CHATTANOGA NATIONAL CEM TENNESSEE,USA,I SUSPECT HES THE ONE WHOS BEING DIFFICULT,BERNARD

[westkent78]

Thank you very much Bernard.

Yes , that's the Thomas Camp I was looking for.

As to burials, I've only got the information from CWGC to go on but I think that's enough for now.

Incidentally, there aren't any other casualties in the name of "Camp" in your roll are there? I've only found these four on the CWGC.

Regards,

Matthew

[bernardmcilwaine]

Thank you very much Bernard.

Yes , that's the Thomas Camp I was looking for.

As to burials, I've only got the information from CWGC to go on but I think that's enough for now.

Incidentally, there aren't any other casualties in the name of "Camp" in your roll are there?  I've only found these four on the CWGC.

Regards,

Matthew

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MATHEW,YOU ARE CORRECT THERE ARE ONLY FOUR,I GUESSED THAT YOU MAY WANT OTHERS SO I CHECKED FOR YOU.BERNARD

[Terry]

The PPCLI's first fatal casualty was 252 L/Cpl.Norman Fry,ex-Cold.Guards, killed by shellfire on 8 Jan.,1915. 1264 L/Cpl.Henry Bellinger , ex-Rifle Bde.,was killed later the same day. That night Captain Denzil O.C.Newton was killed when he failed to properly reply to a sentry's challenge.

There were further casualties on the 15th (658 Pte.Norman McLeod ex-E.Lancs, and 858 Pte.James McNish, ex-N.Fus., apparently killed by the same bullet).During the last week of January the Patricias lost quite a few killed.

I'm not sure how complete my list is. There may be others.

[armourersergeant]

Thanks Terry,

It would appear that Fry was not found he is remembered on the menin gate. So atleast i was partly right. Bellinger was the first to be buried in the cemetery.

Why would a man born in the UK of UK parents transfer/enlist in the PPCLI?

regards

Arm.

[bernardmcilwaine]

Thanks Terry,

It would appear that Fry was not found he is remembered on the menin gate. So atleast i was partly right. Bellinger was the first to be buried in the cemetery.

Why would a man born in the UK of UK parents transfer/enlist in the PPCLI?

regards

Arm.

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HIYA ARM,THE USUAL REASON,MONEY,THE CANADIANS WERE WELL PAID AND BETTER FED,BERNARD

[armourersergeant]

Bernard,

You shatter my illusions i was thinking there would be a great mystery to it and then...

regards

Arm.

[westkent78]

MATHEW,YOU ARE CORRECT THERE ARE ONLY FOUR,I GUESSED THAT YOU MAY WANT OTHERS SO I CHECKED FOR YOU.BERNARD

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Thanks Bernard.

[GrandsonMichael]

The founder of the P.P.C.L.I., Mr A Hamilton Gault, later Major and in the end Brigadier, specifically recruited soldiers who had previous war experience or had served with the colours.

From about three thousand volunteers from all over Canada, more than a 1000 were hand picked by Lieut.-Col. F.D. Farquhar, who was appointed as the O.C. on August 12, 1914.

“ Mobilisation was completed on August 19. Figures prepared at the time show clearly the character of the original battalion. Out of a total strength of 1098, 1049 had been with the Colours and possessed 771 decorations or medals; 456 had seen war service. Under the conditions of enlistment it was inevitable that nearly all had been men born in the Old Country: less than 10 per cent of the ‘ Originals’ were of Canadian origin; almost 65 per cent were Englishmen, roughly 15 per cent were Scots, and 10 per cent Irish.”

Source: P.P.C.L.I. 1914 – 1919 by Ralph Hodder Williams, Volume I, page 10.

Fri., Jan 8, 1915, DICKIEBUSH, FLANDERS, BELGIUM

No 4 Coy shelled heavily during early morning. Casualties Captain B.A.C. Newton and 5 men wounded: 2 men killed. (*)Relieved in trenches by 3rd Bn K.R.R. No.s 3 + 2 Corps returned to billets in DICKIEBUSCH. No 1 to a position in support at VIERSTRAAT, No 4 ditto at LA BRASSERIE. Reliefs completed 1.30 am 10.1.15. Very wet.

---signed by H.C. Buller, Captain, Adjutant P.P.C.L.I.

(*) 252 Corpl W. Fry

1264 Lance/Cpl H O BELLINGER

Source: War Diary P.P.C.L.I. , Library and Archives Canada, unproofed version transcribed by myself.

Neither Hodder-Williams nor the War Diary is clear about who died first.

Tragic as any death is the death of the first officer was to say the least, bizarre:

“ Captain D.O.C. Newton, losing his way in the darkness, walked through the lines between two outposts and found himself in No Man’s Land, going towards the German trenches. Turning back he was challenged by his own men, but apparently failed to hear. Warnings had been given that Germans were attempting to get into and behind the line; and the sentry on duty, getting no reply to his challenge, fired, only to recognize his officer’s voice when he fell. The sentry at once climbed over the parapet and dragged Captain Newton into safety, but found that his own shot had been fatal.”

Source: Hodder-Williams, Volume I, page 24.

I rest my case.....

Michael

[armourersergeant]

Michael,

So its possible this Bellinger chap may not have resided in Britian but emmigrated to Canadia.

I am guilty of assuming that as his parents were living in the UK and that he was born there that he lived there at time of the outbreak of the war?

regards

Arm.

[GrandsonMichael]

Sure looks like that's how it is Arm.

According to his attestation papers

Henry George Bellinger

was married and living in Ottawa at the time. His parents could have been living in England.

Ditto for Norman Fry.

Both men had served with the Colours for a fair time.

Michael

[armourersergeant]

Thanks for that Michael.

regards

Arm.

[GrandsonMichael]

Here is a rather ironic but very tragic addition to the question:

The first men to die .....

"The first Patricia to die was Private Harry Little. He died of heart failure on a troop train that had just left Edmonton for Ottawa, 14 August 1914."

http://www.ppcli.com/facts.php

Now this man is not mentioned in the Roll of Honour, who is going to remember him?

Michael

[bernardmcilwaine]

Here is a rather ironic but very tragic addition to the question:

The first men to die .....

"The first Patricia to die was Private Harry Little. He died of heart failure on a troop train that had just left Edmonton for Ottawa, 14 August 1914."

http://www.ppcli.com/facts.php

Now this man is not mentioned in the Roll of Honour, who is going to remember him?

Michael

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michael,harry,b little is in the roll of honour,but he has no service number,bernard,ichecked the nominal rolls for the ppcli for 1914 but hes not in them.

[GrandsonMichael]

Bernard,

Thanks for the additional information.

I should have specified that he was indeed not mentioned in the PPCLI Roll of Honour.

Over at the CEF Study Group Forum site I was kindly put on the (W)right track by Chris who pointed out that he is remembered in Ted Wigney’s book and on the CWGC site.

Cheers,

Michael

[John Gilinsky]

The author of this magisterial book, Ted Wigney can now himself (and should be) memorialized: he died just a couple of weeks ago September 2008 near Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. A gentleman and a scholar (though he might have taken exception with his modesty to the former!). R.I.P. Ted!

John

Toronto

[John Gilinsky]

Actually Saturday, September 27, 2008 was the day he died. Again Ted a big thank you in the big sky above where I know you are. Thanks on behalf of everyone who has, is and will use your books especially this one!

John