D Troop A Sqdn 10th Light Horse Regiment

[gilly100]

A nice photo of D Troop, A Sqdn 10th Light Horse, recently sent to me.

The tall Officer (6' 1") standing in middle is GA Burkett, a Boer War participant. Note his ribbon. 

[stevenbecker]

Mate,

Interesting, while we can never be sure without names on it, I show these men

While I don't have Lt Burkett as I shown him as; (was it must be an early photo?

BURKETT    George Alexander        Lt    10 LHR    A Sqn C Troop 10-14 shown A Sqn 2 Troop (in Army lists dated 7-15) evac to hosp UK (stomach ulcer) 5-15 (G) RTA MU ulcer disch 24-6-17 (Boer War DCo/4 ACH (2851) (ECo/Vict Rangers to 1Bty/WAFA to 1Sqn/18 LH (WAMI) to RHQ/25 LH (WAMI) to OC LH depot 1917 CMF 9 years) AKA A.Arthur Burkett

CAMPBELL    Neil        2/Lt    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop? shown A Sqn 4 Troop (in Army lists dated 7-15) WIA 29-5-15 L/shoulder / chest & shell shock reported after mine exploded & during Turk attack at Quinns Post (G) reemb 15R to 3 LHTR 3-16 to hosp (sunstroke & typhoid) 5-16 to hosp Wandsworth UK 7-16 tos 3 Tun Co 3-17 WIA 3-5-17 hand & face/eye accident enemy bobby trap rtn 10-17 reported MIA 10/11-4-18 F&B killed while in command of 39 men attached to the 15Bn Royal Scots 102 Bde Bde 34th Britsh Div at Erquinghem near Armentieres (not shown in Co war diary?) NKG listed on Villers Bretonneux Memorial France (Boer War Lt 5 SAIB)  (SAMR CMF 17 months)

HALL    Hubert Sylvian    100    Sgt    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop WIA 15-6-15 R/arm accident arm hit by passing train near Benha siding to Alexandria disch 17-8-16 MU amputated R/arm (CMF 3 years) 

ANDERSON    William Fleming    101    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli (Boer War 5 VMR (1451)  brother David AIF

BARRACLOUGH    Harold    103    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) reported MIA killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli brothers Arthur Lt 58Bn and Frank Lt FAB

BLACK    Joseph Leo    104    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop WIA 7-8-15 L/hand in charge at the Nek (G) to L/Cpl 1-16 disch 10-8-16 MU old wound later WWII

CRUITE    John James    105    Sgt    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop with Lt Kidd's party in raid at Quinns Post 30-5-15 (G) died enteric at Gibraltar GH buried Gibraltar (North Front) Cemetery Gibraltar (British 17th (Duke of Cambridge's Own) Lancers 6 years) 

DRAKE-BROCKMAN    Geoffrey     106    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop to L/Cpl 7-15 prom 2/Lt 2 FCE 4-8-15 recom MID - for his actions for opening up a comms tunnel to Lone Pine 7-8-15 WIA 21-9-15 neck & R/Leg bomb reported at Lone Pine while 2 FCE was at Mudros for a rest evac to Blue Sisters hosp Malta 9-15 to hosp UK 10-15 (G) rtn 1-16 prom Capt 3-16 recom Croix de Guerre (F) - for his actions at Pozieres 23/26-7-16 awarded MC - for his command between Dec 1916 to Jan 1917 prom Maj 16 FCE at Parkhouse UK 3-17 to 1 Div Engineers 9-17 to 9 FCE 11-17 F&B att Repat & demob depot London UK 1-19 brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services later WWII LtCol RAE to Brig Gen RAE 16-2-43 retired 1944 brother Edmund LtCol 11Bn CMG 

DEES    Hubert Vincent    107    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) to L/Cpl 11-16 to SQMS 12-16 to RQMS 3 LHTR 9-17 to NME UK motor engineering (British 1/16th (County of London) Battalion (Queen's Westminster Rifles) 4 years) brother Wilfred 32Bn/10 LHR

EDGAR    Ronald Swan    108    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop to Cpl 8-15 (G) to Sgt 8-16 T/att 68 Sqn RFC killed during fighting around Atawine Redoubt at 2nd Gaza buried at Tel el Jemi cemetery by chaplain Denham 20-4-17 reburied Gaza War Cemetery Palestine brothers Walter 8 LHR and Otho 9 LHR and Ian ICC

FENWICK    Basil Middleton    109    Cpl    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop WIA 30-5-15 R/shoulder with Lt Kidd's party in raid at Quinns Post & recom - for his part in raid at Quinns Post 29/30-5-15 to Sgt D Troop 8-15 (G) killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli 

FIRNS    Hobart Douglas    110    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop MID - for his actions mentioned in Lt Throssell's fighting at Kaiajik Aghala (Hill 60) 28/29-8-15 (G) killed in attack at Hill 60 NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli  (Firms)

GOLLAN    Allan Bell    111    Pte    10 LHR     A Sqn D Troop WIA 30-5-15 head/R jaw minor with Lt Kidd's party in raid at Quinns Post evac to hosp (pyrexia & influ) 7-15 rtn 10-15 to T/Cpl 10-15 (G) to Sgt (from Tailor) 3-16 to SSM C Sqn? (from Fyfe) 12-16 prom 2/Lt C Sqn C or D Troop 20-4-17 (shown possibly A Sqn 11-17) to 3 LHTR (from finlay) 1-18 rtn A Sqn ? Troop 4-18 MID - for his actions at Es Salt 2-5-18 att ADS 3-19 att Oldens Force 3-19 rtn 4-19 to UK leave 5-19 brother John 10 LHR KIA

HASSELL    Oscar Donald Humphrey    112    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli AKA Donald Humphrey Hassell

HARPER    Gresley    113    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli AKA Gresley Tatlock Harper brothers Wilfred 10 LHR KIA and Prescott 10 LHR while Dudley and Geof Lukin were 2nd cousins

HARPER    Wilfred Lukin    114    T/QMS    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop? (G) killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli brothers Gresley 10 LHR KIA and Prescott 10 LHR while Dudley and Geof Lukin were 2nd cousins

HENDERSON    William John    115    Sgt    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop shown WIA 7-8-15 in charge at the Nek N/R? DCM & MID - for his actions supporting Lt Throssell at Hill 60 29/30-8-15 to T/SSM A Sqn (from mackenzie) 8-15 (G) to SSM A Sqn (from mackenzie) 3-16 prom 2/Lt C Sqn ? Troop or A Sqn ? Troop (from Capt Macdonald) 23-7-16 T/att Bde Transport Officer 3 LH Bde HQ 11-16 to hosp (gastro) 12-16 RTA MU gastric ulcer reemb Lt 31R NTOS disch 25-1-18 MU died intestinal obstruction and exhaustion at 11 AGH Elsternwick Vic (Boer War 2 VMR (211) and 2nd Scottish Horse (31619) WIA 24-2-00 at Kuilfontein) (3Bn Ballarat to 2 LH VMR to 11Bn WAIR CMF 4 years) brother George 11Bn KIA

LUKIN    Dudley    116    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli brothers Guy DCM 12Bn and Lional 28Bn KIA cousins Henry 28Bn KIA and Geoff 10 LHR while Gresley and Wilfred Harper were 2nd cousins

LUKIN    Geoffrey Harper    117    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop? to hosp Mudros (dysentry) 7-15 rtn 7-15 to hosp (dysentry) 9-15 evac to (2 Southern GH) hosp Bristol UK 10-15 (G) RTA MU rheum disch 18-9-16 later WWII Pte Western Comd Gen Details Camp brother Henry 28Bn KIA cousins Dudley 10 LHR and Lional 28Bn both KIA with Guy DCM 12Bn while Gresley and Wilfred Harper were 2nd cousins

LEAKE    George Arthur    118    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop? prom 2/Lt possibly A Sqn C Troop (from Roskams KIA) 8-8-15 (G) reported killed shot to head in the trenches during attack at Hill 60 NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli 
LEWIS    John Percival    120    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli 3x brothers in AIF both Charles 28Bn and Archie 16Bn KIA

LIDDELOW    Beverley John    121    Pte    10 LHR     A Sqn D Troop? to Cpl 8-15 to T/SQMS B Sqn? (from Arundel) 9-15 to Sgt 10-15 (G) to SQMS C Sqn? (from Ainsworth) 3-16 prom 2/Lt 13-12-16 T/att (23rd officers course) school of instruction Zeitoun 2-17 to 3 LHTR 2-17 to hosp (appendix) 5-17 rtn ? Sqn ? Troop 9-17 RTA 4 weeks leave disch 21-2-18 family reasons later WWII Sgt Recruiting staff (W17231)

LADYMAN    John Ford    201    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn C Troop? WIA 29-8-15 head bomb mentioned in Lt Throssell's Troop in attack at Hill 60 evac to Valletta hosp Malta 8-15 rtn 10-15 (G) to L/Cpl 1-16 to Cpl 8-16 to T/Sgt (from frost) 1-17 to L/Sgt 2-17 to T/Sgt (from Durack) 3-17 to Sgt A Sqn D Troop 4-17 att (Cavalry course) school of Instruction Zeitoun 4-18 to hosp (malaria) 6-18 rtn 8-18 to cadet OCS Zeitoun 9-18 prom 2/Lt 1-19 rtn A Sqn ? Troop 3-19 att escort Duty under Lt Ladyman Aust MD HQ 5-19 rtn 7-19 (3Sqn/18 LH (WAMI) CMF 3 years) brothers Henry KIA, Albert, Cecil 10 LHR and Ray GSR

McJANNET    John Blacklock    123    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli brothers Francis 11Bn KIA and Frederick 11Bn

MURRAY    Thomas    124    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop WIA 7-8-15 L/thigh shot reported in Lt Roskams Troop in charge at the Nek evac to hosp Malta 8-15 to hosp UK 8-15 (G) RTA wounded disch 15-8-16 L/leg amputated

McRAE    Gordon    125    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) killed in charge at the Nek  NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli 

MORRIS    Edward Fortescue    126    Pte    10 LHR     A Sqn D Troop WIA 7-8-15 L/eye and shell concussion bomb in charge at the Nek evac to hosp 8-15 (G) RTA wounded reemb 15R to 3 LHTR 4-16 to T/SSM (3 double sqn) 7-16 to Troop Sgt 4 Cml Regt 11-16 to 18Co/4Bn ICC 2-17 MM - reason not stated prom 2/Lt 17Co/4Bn 21-11-17 WIA 4-12-17 L/thigh shot reported in raid at Bald Hill rtn 1-18 att (officers general course) school of Instruction Zeitoun 2-18 rtn 3-18 to BSqn/14 LHR 7-18 to hosp (pyrexia) 9-18 rtn 11-18 Later WWII Capt 

OLIVER    Edward Lockier    127    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop WIA 7-8-15 R/shoulder & arm shot in charge at the Nek to Cpl 8-15 evac to hosp 8-15 (G) to Sgt AIBD 11-15 to admin AIF HQ UK to S/Sgt 9-16 to SQMS 4-17 to Wo1 1-19 brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services

PLAYNE    John Morton    128    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop prom 2/Lt 2 FCE 6-8-15 (G) reported MIA 7-8-15 killed in fighting at Lone Pine NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli (AGA Albany 18 months to 1Bty/AFA WA Arty CMF 18 months) 

ROSS    Willian Allardice    130    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (G) killed in charge at the Nek NKG listed on Lone Pine Memorial Gallipoli AKA William Allardyce Ross

RUSSELL    Jack Wentworth    131    Pte    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop WIA 7-8-15 L/thigh & buttock shot in charge at the Nek evac to (1 AGH) hosp 8-15 (G) RTA wounded disch 1-4-16 reported died from war service
 

Possibly but unsure if D Troop on embarking ;

ROSKAMS    Leopold James Cecil    132    Cpl    10 LHR    A Sqn to Sgt 3-15 prom 2/Lt A Sqn D Troop (from Colpitts WIA) 1-8-15 shown possibly A Sqn C Troop or by Kidd had A Sqn D Troop with Lt Turnbull at the Nek 8-15 (G) reported killed shot to head in charge at the Nek buried Ari Burnu Cemetery Gallipoli born 16-6-1884 AKA Roscams (British Royal Engineers 6 years)
 

[gilly100]

It's Burkett alright and it's D Troop as I can ID one of the Harper brothers and a Lukin.

Edited 3 May by gilly100

[stevenbecker]

You are most likley correct, as we don't know for sure when the photo was taken.

I just finished looking at the Roll books in the NSW Liberary which cover two peroids of the war

A Sqn 1st ALHR Aug 1914 to Aug 1915 

A Sqn 1st ALHR Aug 1918 to Mar 1919

The interesting thing was the changes to the regt during these periods of the men.

In Aug 1914 to the landing in 1915, changes happened all the time, men given in one Troop could and did change as men moved around before embarking.

These changes continued in Egypt and the landing, as Reinf came into the show.

But that's the best list I can give, made up from far to many sources to be 100% correct

And until some one else can produce one, we may never know for sure.

But you never know whats out there still

Edited 3 May by stevenbecker

[gilly100]

 

Steve

Clearly it was taken in late 1914 or early 1915 prior to embarkation.

Ian

[Andrew P]

21 hours ago, gilly100 said:

A nice photo of D Troop, A Sqdn 10th Light Horse, recently sent to me.

The tall Officer (6' 1") standing in middle is GA Burkett, a Boer War participant. Note his ribbon. 

Nice photo Ian. Do you think that is Blackboy Hill or Claremont Camp?

[stevenbecker]

Mate,

I was going throw the Regt and Grad list for the AIF dated revised 6 Dec 1914 

A Sqn 10 LHR

shows

Todd Capt OC (2-10-14)

Piesse 2/Lt 2ic (2-10-14)

with Sqn officers

Gibsone 2/Lt A troop (28-10-14)

Heller 2/Lt B Troop (28-10-14)

Burkett 2/Lt C Troop (2-10-14)

Colpitts 2/Lt D Troop (1-11-14) 

So the photo must have been taken before that date?

[gilly100]

Steve

Burkett was 6'1'' and had been in the 18th and 25th LH prior to joining the AIF's 10th Light Horse; see his badges. He got the QSA which we can also see.

Colpitts was 5'11.5" and was 40 years old on enlistment. He was QSA and KSA and not listed as with service with 18th or 25th LH.

 

Andrew

I don't know where, could be either for location, although it would be either Claremont or Guildford, rather than BB Hill.

 

Ian

[stevenbecker]

Than again when I did the 12 LHR, many years ago before handing off the Ken Hollis before I went OS, I gave him a booklet of the 12 LHR, which showed photos of each Troop before embarking.

These I found out were not all correct, as changes happen, some soon after the photos

While I have no dought your right, that it is Burkett we have to consider why he was with D Troop, when all the records say he was not?

Not the first time we have run in to this, where sources differ.

[stevenbecker]

Yes its not BB Hill as photos of the 10th LHR Reinf of my GF show them under tents in 1915, with no wooden buildings shown 

So if early 1914 then a estabished camp it must be so where?

[stevenbecker]

I don't know how I missed him but 

COLPITTS    John Watson        2/Lt    10 LHR    A Sqn D Troop 10-14 shown A Sqn 3 Troop (in Army lists dated 7-15) WIA 30-5-15 concussion of spine bomb in raid at Quinns Post & recom - for his part in raid evac to hosp 6-15 to hosp UK 7-15 (G) to AProvC 1 Anzac Corps HQ 9-16 prom Capt 1-17 T/att 2 Div HQ 3-17 to APM 3 Div HQ 7-17 to APM AIF depots UK 4-18 rtn 3 Div HQ 7-18 prom Maj APM 9-18 2xMID reason not stated F&B to NME UK farming disch 20-1-20 (Boer War Sth African Constabulary) (South Africa Police 9 years) 
 

If correct the two lists differ, but when did that happen?

Grad list show D Troop in Dec 1914, while Army lists show him as 3 Troop or C Troop dated July 1915, but buy that stage he was well out of it in the UK?

Strange, but when you consider the lists are made up before these dates (July 1915) then was he in C Troop, after Dec 1914 to some time in 1915?

Then again Neil Campbell shows D Troop in the July 1915 Army lists, so when did he join the Troop?

Possibly when Burkett went to hosp, but that was on Anzac, a few days after landing, and Army lists again show him in B Troop?

I notice that you or Nev didn't try to put a Officer list in your book, for when they embarked either from Aussie or from Egypt, so it hard to say where they all were.

Even the War Diary seems to have missed that also?

I see why now, its been a long while since I looked at the 10th ALHR, when I tried to fix this problem with the Regt, but failed 

I like to confirm things, but I surpose we may never do that.

[stevenbecker]

Just to give you an example

I just finished going through the Roll book for A Sqn 1 LHR so when compared to the Regt and Grad list 

The Regt and Grad list shows

White Lt (27-8-14) A Troop

Tinson 2/Lt (27-8-14) B Troop

MacMillian 2/Lt (27-8-14) C Troop

Ryrie 2/Lt (14-9-14) D Troop

 

The A Sqn Roll book

White Lt (27-8-14) A Troop

Tinson 2/Lt (27-8-14) B Troop

MacMillian 2/Lt (27-8-14) C Troop

Ryrie 2/Lt (14-9-14) D Troop

The odd man out is this bloke

RYRIE    Oswald Bruce        Hon/Capt    01 LHR    A Sqn B Troop 10-14 embarked A Sqn D Troop (in Army lists dated 12-14) shown D Troop in unit history shown A Sqn C Troop in war dairy 5-15 shown A Sqn 4 Troop (in Army lists dated 7-15) (shown A Sqn C Troop 8-15) not shown on records in charge from Popes Post (roll book shows to Corps HQ with Pte's Brady & Hall D Troop 4-8-15) replaced by Weir prom T/Capt 7-8-15 possibly att early to ADC to GOC Anzac Corps HQ 9-15 (G) to OC ASqn/1 LHTR 2-17 to ADC to Gen Chaytor Anzac MD HQ 5-17 rtn OC B Sqn 1-18 prom Maj 4-18 MID - for his work at Amman 28-3-18 (Boer War SSM CSqn/NSWIB (314) to Lt and Capt DSqn/5 ACH) brothers Harold Maj 6 LHR died and Edwin (?)
 

By Aug 1915 things had changed a lot, with officers moving around for their change from Popes post

I am still not sure what was going on here as all sources differ

Any wonder we have the problem with Burkett.