T4/039997 Corporal H. Agar ASC

[harley1962]

I never knew anything about my grandfather or even what he looked like until I found an old newspaper with a photo of local soldiers. Further research led me to find out that he was in the ASC and won the military medal. 

T4/039997 Corporal (act sjt) H. Agar ASC was awarded the military medal it was gazetted 22nd Jan 1917. 

Does anyone know approximately what date he would have won this. 

The absent voters list shows him as with the 67th field Amb. 22nd Div. Train. Can anyone tell me anymore about this. 

 

 

Edited 20 April by harley1962

[Waggoner]

Based on what you have said, he was a horse transport driver (T4 prefix). He would have been a member of the 22nd Divisional Train. This unit provided drivers to the field ambulances in its division. I suspect that he received the MM for evacuating casualties under extremely dangerous conditions such as enemy artillery fire. My understanding is that it usually took six months from the time of the action to when the Gazette entry appeared. Have you had a look at the War Diary yet?

All the best,

Gary

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

Well done Corporal Agar.

The diaries for 67 Field Ambulance are catalogued under WO95/4848 at the NA but have not been digitized:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4558001

The diaries for 22 Divisional Train are catalogued under WO95/4849 :

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4558002

Were they in Salonika? Perhaps that's why they haven't been digitized yet?

56 minutes ago, Waggoner said:

My understanding is that it usually took six months from the time of the action to when the Gazette entry appeared.

I thought a bit less, 6-8 weeks, but I'm not sure.

Edited 20 April by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

[harley1962]

52 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Well done Corporal Agar.

The diaries for 67 Field Ambulance are catalogued under WO95/4848 at the NA but have not been digitized:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4558001

The diaries for 22 Divisional Train are catalogued under WO95/4849 :

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4558002

Were they in Salonika? Perhaps that's why they haven't been digitized yet?

I thought a bit less, 6-8 weeks, but I'm not sure.

Yes looking at the 67th field ambulance I believe they were in Salonika.

So the diaries would only be accessible at Kew. 

[harley1962]

1 hour ago, Waggoner said:

Based on what you have said, he was a horse transport driver (T4 prefix). He would have been a member of the 22nd Divisional Train. This unit provided drivers to the field ambulances in its division. I suspect that he received the MM for evacuating casualties under extremely dangerous conditions such as enemy artillery fire. My understanding is that it usually took six months from the time of the action to when the Gazette entry appeared. Have you had a look at the War Diary yet?

All the best,

Gary

Thank You Gary. 

Sadly the diaries have not been digitizer yet. 

[Gardenerbill]

The 67th Field Ambulance would have been attached to 67th Brigade, looking at the Official History p189, intensified raids took place in October 1916 involving 7th SWB of 67th Brigade, but these were largely unsuccessful and there isn't a detailed account. However in September 1916 65th Brigade of 22nd Division attacked the enemy line in force at Machukovo ) Official history p.166) all 4 Battalions of the Brigade were took part and it seems quite likely that the 67th Field Ambulance were involved. Unfortunately you would need to see the war diary to confirm this.

Information on Field Ambulances can be found in the LLT here

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/a-soldiers-life-1914-1918/the-evacuation-chain-for-wounded-and-sick-soldiers/field-ambulances-in-the-first-world-war/

 

The Official History can be accessed online the link is in this topic

 

Edited 21 April by Gardenerbill

[Allan1892]

Image courtesy of Find My Past

[harley1962]

9 hours ago, Allan1892 said:

Image courtesy of Find My Past

This confirms Salonika. Thank You. 

[harley1962]

11 hours ago, Gardenerbill said:

The 67th Field Ambulance would have been attached to 67th Brigade, looking at the Official History p189, intensified raids took place in October 1916 involving 7th SWB of 67th Brigade, but these were largely unsuccessful and there isn't a detailed account. However in September 1916 65th Brigade of 22nd Division attacked the enemy line in force at Machukovo ) Official history p.166) all 4 Battalions of the Brigade were took part and it seems quite likely that the 67th Field Ambulance were involved. Unfortunately you would need to see the war diary to confirm this.

Information on Field Ambulances can be found in the LLT here

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/a-soldiers-life-1914-1918/the-evacuation-chain-for-wounded-and-sick-soldiers/field-ambulances-in-the-first-world-war/

 

The Official History can be accessed online the link is in this topic

 

Thank You for the information on the Field Ambulances and the link. 

I did wonder if it could have been for Machukovo.