British Empire 14-18 - Telephone cable unwinder

[WARS AND PEACES MINIATURES]

Good evening everyone,
I am looking for a photo of the other side for this 14-18 British Empire model telephone cable reel.
Can someone help me please?
Thank you so much.

Best wishes,
Jean-Luc

[WARS AND PEACES MINIATURES]

Hello everyone,

( GOOGLE translation for my english text )

Allow me a little “Up” for my request for help.

I need a photo that shows the other side of this dispenser model.

Thank you / Merci .

Looking forward, I wish you all a great day.
Jean-Luc

[battle of loos]

Good evening
I have one but different from the one shown.
friendly

michel

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Hello / Bonsoir Michel,

( GOOGLE translation for my text ) 

Yes I know the model you have and as you write, it is a different model.

Attached is proof that this existed in 14-18.

Have a great end to the evening everyone.
Jean-Luc

FRANCE 

[Chasemuseum]

This is part of the problem, the documentation on the various models of British telephone reels is very poor and there are not a lot of surviving examples. The lack of response is largely that members do not have good access to clear photos of surviving examples of your specific model.

For many WW1 British communication instruments there is very limited data available.

This is compounded that where items are on display in museums it is not unusual for items to be mixed with post war items (eg WW1 heliographs displayed with WW2 tripods, and WW1 heliographs labelled as Boer War)

There is a British Heliograph facebook group. There has been discussions in the group recently on the use of operator lamps with Lucas short range daylight signal lamps during WW1. Some members are sure that the operators lamps were first adopted between the wars and others that they were used during WW1. I believe (strongly suspect) that they were adopted late in WW1 but cannot prove this.

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Hello / Bonjour Chasemuseum,

( GOOGLE translation for my text )

Your explanations are very interesting and they allow me to learn.
Thank you so much.

Attached, 2 documents:
- Photo No. 1 (GOOGLE origin) Is this valid for 14-18?

We can observe another model of unwinder but, I do not know if these Soldiers of the British Empire date back to the First World War.
Can someone provide an answer, please?
- On this 2nd document, we can observe a roller on the horse's back.

Have an excellent end of the day to everyone with my best wishes.

Jean-Luc

[JMB1943]

Jean-Luc,

No response after 7 hrs, so I wilI jump in.

I would say that this first photo HAS to be of the BEF of the Great War,

a) because it is labelled in French, which clearly implies taken in France,

b) British troops have only been in France on three occasions. 1914-1918, Early -mid 1940 and mid-1944 to mid-1945. The soldiers' uniforms changed drastically between the First and Second World Wars ,and those shown are very much First War pattern.

Good luck with your search!

Regards,

JMB

 

Edited 15 April by JMB1943

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Hello JMB,

( GOOGLE translation for my text because my english langage is very ... poor  )

I thank you with all my heart for your answers to my questions.

The investigation continues on my side.

I wish you and your loved ones a great day.

Amicalement,

Jean-luc

"le Devoir de Mémoire

          la Passion de la Miniature "

[6th Hauraki KIA KAHA]

The pack horse cable winder I am familiar with held 4 drums per pack, I have drawn this before in detail.

The drums on the pack horse are Mk11 not the same as the type you are inquiring about.

My guess is the type you are talking about is Artillery signals related.

In the other photo, I do not know the type of cable drum. They look like British Artillery with the Dmk11 telephone with a push-to-speak microphone.

 

Here is another drawing I did a while back this is the other type of Drum I was referring to.

This was also used on the pack horse cable winder

Edited 16 April by 6th Hauraki KIA KAHA

[JMB1943]

Jean-Luc,

If no satisfactory photos or drawings appear, but you need to go ahead with making such a wire-carrier, remember that for the British War Office ANY modification to a part cost extra MONEY and TIME.

Your photo shows a disc of metal that has been fitted with a metal rim. 

1) At the centre, a hole has been drilled through which the axle/spindle passes and a fitting has been applied to hold the axle/spindle in place. Does the other disc need this: YES

2) Near the rim, a turning knob has been fitted. Does the other disc need this: NO

3) Near the rim, an oblong slot has been cut. Does the other disc need this: slot: UNKNOWN, but possibly NO

4) Close to the axle/spindle, a circular hole with a rim fitted (to prevent injury from sharp metal edge?) has been cut. Does the other disc need this hole: UNKNOWN, but possibly NO.

I would suggest that you make the other disc as plain as possible, consistent with it being functional.

Amicalement,

JMB

 

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Kia ora 6th Hauraki KIA KAHA
Thank you very much for your details.

My friend Mike "the kiwi" BUTLER (figure painter) is also looking for something.

Arohanui 

Jean-Luc

FRANCE 

[WARS AND PEACES MINIATURES]

Good evening JMB,

( GOOGLE translation for my english text  )
Like you, I think/I suppose that there is no need - on the other side of the unwinder - for a rotating handle nor for an "opening/slot" to pass the cable through.

Attached, here is a photo found this morning on the IWM website.

On my old hard drive, I found this photos taken a few years ago by my wife at the ALBERT Museum here in FRANCE.

I guess many people know this Museum very well.

To all, I wish you and your loved ones an excellent end to the evening as well as my sincere regards.

Jean-Luc 

   " le Devoir de Mémoire

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