Robert Elliott Posted 6 April Share Posted 6 April Attached is a copy of a photograph of a soldier (and his Mother?) who I believe to be relatives although I have not yet identified them. For the soldier there are two candidates, both of whom enlisted in the King's (Liverpool) Regiment in 1915. One subsequently transferred to the Labour Corps. I was hoping the cap badge would help narrow him down or at least confirm it is one of the two men, but there are no details decipherable on the badge that I can see. Sadly, the original image (possibly an enlistment postcard style) is lost. Also, I do not recognise the shape of the badge as being related to either regiment. Could anyone hazard a guess or make any suggestions that might help? I realise it's a long shot, but the forum has never failed me before! Thanks, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 6 April Admin Share Posted 6 April I’d say East Yorks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchrat22 Posted 6 April Share Posted 6 April 24 minutes ago, Robert Elliott said: Attached is a copy of a photograph of a soldier (and his Mother?) who I believe to be relatives although I have not yet identified them. For the soldier there are two candidates, both of whom enlisted in the King's (Liverpool) Regiment in 1915. One subsequently transferred to the Labour Corps. I was hoping the cap badge would help narrow him down or at least confirm it is one of the two men, but there are no details decipherable on the badge that I can see. Sadly, the original image (possibly an enlistment postcard style) is lost. Also, I do not recognise the shape of the badge as being related to either regiment. Could anyone hazard a guess or make any suggestions that might help? I realise it's a long shot, but the forum has never failed me before! Thanks, Rob. If you post their names and services numbers. it’s not the Cheshire Regiment badge as the scroll at the bottom, curves up so that it is nearly touching the points of the star in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 6 April Admin Share Posted 6 April @FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyH Posted 6 April Share Posted 6 April A possible surname would be handy, (the face rings a bell). BillyH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 6 April Share Posted 6 April (edited) I agree with Michelle that it’s East Yorkshire. Conjoined ends of title scroll confirms. Edited 6 April by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Elliott Posted 6 April Author Share Posted 6 April Thanks for the suggestions so far. As requested, the name's are: 307310 William Elliott, 8th King's (Liverpool) regiment, KIA 13 April 1917. 27403, 666753 John Hodgkinson, discharged wounded 14 January 1918. As far as I know, no family members served with the East Yorks regiment, so I suspect it is neither of these soldiers. Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyH Posted 6 April Share Posted 6 April 52 minutes ago, Robert Elliott said: Thanks for the suggestions so far. As requested, the name's are: Sorry, I will have to pass - BillyH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 6 April Admin Share Posted 6 April It could be that either served in the East Yorks before going overseas with the KLR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 6 April Share Posted 6 April (edited) 7 hours ago, Robert Elliott said: Thanks for the suggestions so far. As requested, the name's are: 307310 William Elliott, 8th King's (Liverpool) regiment, KIA 13 April 1917. 27403, 666753 John Hodgkinson, discharged wounded 14 January 1918. As far as I know, no family members served with the East Yorks regiment, so I suspect it is neither of these soldiers. Rob. As Michelle mentioned it’s entirely possible that he served with an East Yorks unit (for basic training) at home only. That would’ve been recorded on his service record, but not usually medal, or pension records, both of which recorded just the service overseas for operational service reckoning (accounting) purposes. As most men’s records were destroyed by WW2 bombing, details of home service units have often been lost and so photographs can be misleading. Edited 6 April by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Elliott Posted 6 April Author Share Posted 6 April That's very helpful, thanks. Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalPunishment Posted 6 April Share Posted 6 April If the cap badge in the opening post is that of the East Yorkshire Regiment then I'm an Eskimo clog dancer. Even allowing for the possibility of the scroll ends having been removed it's still not right. Whatever it is it's not East Yorks and not Cheshires either. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Bob Davies Posted 6 April Admin Share Posted 6 April 3 hours ago, CorporalPunishment said: If the cap badge in the opening post is that of the East Yorkshire Regiment then I'm an Eskimo clog dancer. Even allowing for the possibility of the scroll ends having been removed it's still not right. Whatever it is it's not East Yorks and not Cheshires either. Pete. The only other badge not mentioned with a similar style is the 23rd London Regiment TF. The crown at the top could be looking like a point? Who knows? Screenshot courtesy of Cultman Collectibles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 6 April Share Posted 6 April (edited) Seems a distinct possibility Bob. Like several of the other badges there was a version of the badge with less pointed tips to the star and the conjoined title scroll gives that similar appearance. I’m not sure that it fits so well with what is known about the soldiers home origins though. A part time auxiliary unit in London seems a bit off beam. Edited 7 April by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyH Posted 7 April Share Posted 7 April 11 hours ago, Bob Davies said: The only other badge not mentioned with a similar style is the 23rd London Regiment TF. The Worcestershire cap badge is also very similar. For what it's worth I think it is a Cheshire badge with the end of the scrolls missing or folded back. BillyH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 7 April Share Posted 7 April (edited) 46 minutes ago, BillyH said: The Worcestershire cap badge is also very similar. For what it's worth I think it is a Cheshire badge with the end of the scrolls missing or folded back. BillyH. Yes it’s whether the ends of the scrolls have been clipped, or whether they are conjoined further up the badge. Knowing infantry regimental disciplinary culture as I do, I don’t think any company sergeant major would stand for a clipped badge. Several of the regiments had a variety of their badge with the less pointed sharply stars, not just the Cheshires, and so that can sometimes be misleading. Edited 7 April by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchrat22 Posted 7 April Share Posted 7 April 2 hours ago, BillyH said: For what it's worth I think it is a Cheshire badge with the end of the scrolls missing or folded back. BillyH. I think BillyH could be right Ive cut off, the ends off a paper copy of the Cheshire Regiment badge and it is very similar to me. knowing a number of GSM, RSM and CSM I don’t think they would allow for the ends of the scrolls to be removed Just now, thetrenchrat22 said: I think BillyH could be right Ive cut off, the ends off a paper copy of the Cheshire Regiment badge and it is very similar to me. knowing a number of GSM, RSM and CSM I don’t think they would allow for the ends of the scrolls to be removed Ive never seen a Cheshire Regiment badge from the Great War as my photo shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 7 April Share Posted 7 April (edited) 8 minutes ago, thetrenchrat22 said: I think BillyH could be right Ive cut off, the ends off a paper copy of the Cheshire Regiment badge and it is very similar to me. knowing a number of GSM, RSM and CSM I don’t think they would allow for the ends of the scrolls to be removed Ive never seen a Cheshire Regiment badge from the Great War as my photo shows Try cutting the ends off the East Yorkshire Regiment badge title scroll in exactly the same way as you have, and you will see how similar it will appear. Certainly difficult to discern the difference in silhouette once you do that. Edited 7 April by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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