Mark Finneran Posted 30 March Share Posted 30 March Looking to identify please the details of my few bayonets. Good or bad news! If more photos are required please say. First batch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 30 March Share Posted 30 March Looks like nice sawback pieces, the upper and lower one are older models S98/05aAS one by Erfurt and second by A.Coppel, doesnt look like any unit stamp there, the green colored scabbard could be done in WW1 as typical ersatz field color, but same as postwar by other states. The middle piece is S98/05nAS made by WKC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Finneran Posted 30 March Author Share Posted 30 March Andy huge thanks - all great info. Next batch incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Finneran Posted 30 March Author Share Posted 30 March 3 ersatz but only one stamped with makers name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Finneran Posted 30 March Author Share Posted 30 March Any info on these would be welcome. When.they came into service etc and if one is missing the little all/pommel thing at the end of the scabbard pointy bit! Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Finneran Posted 30 March Author Share Posted 30 March Details of these too please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 30 March Share Posted 30 March (edited) Ersatzes are in reality ASG88/98 used on both main german rifles, the upper one looks like proper color on scabbard, the second one has a pressed scabbard by (possible not FAG but other maker) with origin paint probably, the only unit marked the lower one was heavily polished, the unit could be hard to exactly deciphere it means only 2.MG. Kompany weapon nr.65. Frog should be looked at backside as steel rivets could be even a WW2 frog? Edited 31 March by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 30 March Share Posted 30 March The 3 series is of S84/98nA 2x and one refurbished S84/98aA from older S1871/84 bayonet. The left one made by Erfurt has probably wrong turkish frog on it. Second one G.Hammesfahr blade deliverer, has a sharpened postwar blade, good is similar unit as on previous ersatz piece, Second MG. Kompany weapon nr.21. The last one as mentioned had old unit number from previous S1871/84 configuration era, bayonet is ?7.Regt. marked, 12.Company and weapon nr.237, the missmatched scabbard is 117 Inf.Regt. 7.Company and weapon nr.30 marked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Finneran Posted 30 March Author Share Posted 30 March (edited) Again thank you for all the assistance. I am only looking to keep original WWI bayonets to compliment my collection so all helpful. Last batch incoming. Mark Edited 30 March by Mark Finneran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafal1971 Posted 30 March Share Posted 30 March In the last photo, the first four bayonets from the left are commemorative dress bayonets, ordered privately by soldiers after completing their service. Interwar period The last one with wooden grips is the kurzes Seitengewehr 1898 combat bayonet. Horster made these bayonets in 1913 and 14. The year should be written on the back. Leather coverings were replaced with wooden ones, e.g. for colonial troops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Finneran Posted 30 March Author Share Posted 30 March Sir great info and thanks. The four left ones still WWI period? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafal1971 Posted 30 March Share Posted 30 March This is the production of private companies in the period after the Great War. Plastic covers, nickel, no government or military acceptance, although the bayonets are based on the M1898 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert.f Posted 30 March Share Posted 30 March Hello. The WKC trade mark represents the period of the first war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafal1971 Posted 30 March Share Posted 30 March Robert may be right, unless they used even older blades sometime after 1918 https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/daggers-swords-trzeciej-reich/wkc-trademark-evolution-719841/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 31 March Share Posted 31 March As already mentioned the KS98 are mainly as parade dress pieces, the 3 rivets are certainly pre or immediately WW1, WKC TM should be correct, the far right as mentioned is a service KS98 piece made by Hoerster, i assume the Holler and unmarked with shorted handles should be with steel handles too period of WW1 or only shortly period of early weimar. AS with sawbacks it should be probably for NCOs, question would be the frog marking, as one of the frogs with rivets are not typical on dress bayonets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Finneran Posted 31 March Author Share Posted 31 March Thanks. I think I will take all the frogs off as without doubt these could have been added anytime over the past 100 years plus! I don't want them to detract from a pre-WWI or WWI piece. I am grateful for the expert advice but just want to have the correct bayonet for my machine gunners. I have had these for no more than 6 years. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafal1971 Posted 31 March Share Posted 31 March Generally Frogs sewn with the facing side out were used for dress bayonets. In the last photo, the first one on the left is most likely a combat one. Two "shiny" ones, rather intended for dress bayonets. I wouldn't remove the frogs from their sheaths without photo documentation. There is a possibility that the combat KS1898 was used (e.g. after filing off the inspection and state ownership marks) as a dress bayonet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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