Help please for Museum new Requisition, A & S Highlander medals and ephemera

[ForeignGong]

Hi All

Once again the Wanneroo RSL (Returned & Services League) Museum has been donated the following

5 Medals,

WW1 Pair named to 3269 Pte G Stewart, his fibre dog tag stating 7 A S H, WW1 ASH Glengarry, very flimsy "Physical and bayonet Training Certificate" stating 257919 L / Cpl 5th Res Bn A & S H dated 22 Nov 1918.

WW2 Defence Medal, War Medal, Australian Service Medal 1939-45 named WX2705 G Stewart, fibre dog tag stating with same details, Sgts Mess 2nd Forestry Company RAE membership Card, 2nd AIF Discharge Certificate.

Plus over 50 photos of mainly his WW2 service and some Freemason gear. WW2 he spent 3 years and approx 140 days back in the UK.

The LLT states the following  for the 7th Bn

1/7th Battalion
August 1914 : at Stirling. Part of Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Brigade in the Highland Division.
16 December 1914 : left Division and landed in France.
6 January 1915 : came under orders of 10th Brigade in 4th Division.
27 May 1915 : amalgamated with 1/9th Bn, resuming identity on 20 July.
1 March 1916 : transferred to 154th Brigade in 51st (Highland) Division.

And for the 5th Bn

1/5th (Renfrewshire) Battalion
August 1914 : at Greenock. Attached as Army Troops to the Black Watch Brigade on Scottish coast defences.
24 April 1915 : moved to Dunfermline and transferred to the HLI Brigade in the Lowland Division.
11 May 1915 : formation became 157th Brigade in 52nd (Lowland) Division.
1 June 1915 : sailed from Devonport for Gallipoli, going via Egypt (12 June) and Mudros (1 July), landing at Cape Helles on 3 July.
8 January 1916 : evacuated from Gallipoli to Mudros and arrived Egypt in February.
11 April 1918 : Division left Egypt, battalion arrived Marseilles 17 April for service on Western Front.
26 August 1918 : transferred to 103rd Brigade in 34th Division.

As his MIC states Pair only and NO date to F & F, I can count out all the prior 1916 service, but how do I work out his WW1 service.

His WW2 service is on line so easy to follow that side.

Just need some help with his possible WW1 Service please, hope there is an ARGYLE AND SUTHERLAND Highlander expert out there that can assist.

Thanking you in anticipation

Peter

[Ivor Anderson]

18 minutes ago, ForeignGong said:

As his MIC states Pair only and NO date to F & F, I can count out all the prior 1916 service

    He has a pension card on Fold3 (discharge 5 March 1919?). His medal roll only shows war theatre service with the 1/7th A&SH (Ancestry):

Edited 30 March by Ivor Anderson

[ForeignGong]

Hi Ivor

Many thanks for the reply, unfortunately we do not have access to Ancestry. But interesting that he served just with 1/7th Bn, at least I can now try the WD for that Bn, they are still free I think.

Cheers

Peter

[Ivor Anderson]

49 minutes ago, ForeignGong said:

how do I work out his WW1 service.

   Looking at men with numbers either side of his initial 3269 service number who were with 1/7th Bn may turn up a service/pension record, SWB or death details.

   e.g. Duncan McLean 3265/275916 served only with 1/7th in France - from 18th Feb 1915. He enlisted 10 Nov 1914 (SWB Ancestry):

Edited 30 March by Ivor Anderson
Additional Info

[Ken Lees]

The 5th (Reserve) Battalion won't be the 1/5th Bn.

Going from my knowledge of the King's Liverpool Regiment, the 7th (Reserve) Bn. was a holding battalion based at Oswestry, which appears to have operated like a TF base depot, receiving recovered wounded etc from all the regiment's TF battalions.

Perhaps the A&SH operated their reserve battalion in the same way.

[corisande]

The Fold 3 card appears to show that he started his pension the day after discharge. I assume that this was a wound pension

Edited 30 March by corisande

[corisande]

As the stuff was donated by the family, I assume that you have details that would be helpful in getting further info. Can you give us

• date of birth (or age)
• where he lived
• do you have him in 1911 census

 

To show how common George Stewart is, there were 377 births registered as that name between 1890 and 1900

Edited 30 March by corisande

[corisande]

Part answering my own question. A further Pension card on Fold 3 gives age and address

[corisande]

And I now have got  his discharge documents on Ancestry  click

Thee is a lot of stuff there, and I could not post it all here. You need to get into that document yourself, I will put some edited bits here

 

[corisande]

There is a lot of fine detail on his service, but essentially

 

• 1914 Nov 9. Enlisted
• 1916 Mar 23 Landed in France
• 1918 May 24  Gassed to hospital
• 1919 Aug 15 Posted C Coy 5th Res A&S
• 1919 Mar 4 Demobilised

 

Edited 30 March by corisande

[ForeignGong]

Hi Ken and corisande,

Many thanks for your help.

The Great Grand son has donated the collection and unfortunately knows very little of his relative. That is why I have asked for help here.

We do not have Ancestry so thank you for the following, very helpful.

• 1914 Nov 9. Enlisted
• 1916 Mar 23 Landed in France
• 1918 May 24  Gassed to hospital
• 1919 Aug 15 Posted C Coy 5th Res A&S
• 1919 Mar 4 Demobilised

This all helps make his service come to life.

 

Cheers

Peter

[Matlock1418]

1 hour ago, corisande said:

5/6 pw from 6.3.19 to 2.9.19 represented the 20% degree of disability rate for a pension Class V soldier / Pte [incl. LCpl] under the 1918 Royal Warrant [which actually ended on 2.9.19, with the 1919 RW starting on 3.9.19]

M

Edited 30 March by Matlock1418
add 1919 RW detail

[ForeignGong]

Thanks Matlock, another piece of the puzzle.

 

Appreciate all the help here.

Peter