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My new HQ P1907 found locally in Germany - Gordon Highlanders?


Harzer

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Hi,

 

just want to ask the community about your view on the bayonet. It is not in best condition but ok and the scabbard is certainly WW2. 

The unit marking I would translate into 2nd battallion of the Gordon Highlanders . Is this correct? Are there any strange markings on the bayonet you would rate as a fake? 

I can recognize an HQ from Jan 1911 P1907 with EFD as maker. Cypher is not really visibel. No later markings so no use in WW1 or WW2.

How can such a bayonet survive first without changes in 1913 and 1916 and without reinspection markings in both wars. A sleeper in remote Scotland? If the marking fits to the Gordon Highlanders than this unit was heavily fighting on a theaters of war....   

Thanks again to the team!

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The Regimental marking is certainly correct for the 2nd Battalion, The Gordon Highlanders and I have compared the rest of the markings with some other 1911 made Enfield bayonets and all seems to be in order. 

So I don't have a problem with it at all. It has that look of an item that has seen a little service, and I would not be surprised if this was a "bringback" or a "souvenir" that was taken directly off the battlefield by a soldier.

I have purchased items very similar to this out of Germany, genuine early examples that are marked to British line regiments and with a certain amount of "wear", so I have no doubt that they do exist.

Cheers,  SS 

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On 15/03/2024 at 21:00, shippingsteel said:

The Regimental marking is certainly correct for the 2nd Battalion, The Gordon Highlanders and I have compared the rest of the markings with some other 1911 made Enfield bayonets and all seems to be in order. 

So I don't have a problem with it at all. It has that look of an item that has seen a little service, and I would not be surprised if this was a "bringback" or a "souvenir" that was taken directly off the battlefield by a soldier.

I have purchased items very similar to this out of Germany, genuine early examples that are marked to British line regiments and with a certain amount of "wear", so I have no doubt that they do exist.

Cheers,  SS 

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Thanks a lot for your feedback. It is always a pleasure to get direct info right after posting and it helps me a lot.

 

Thomas

 

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BTW. as collector would you polish the blade carefully and sensible to clean up/delete some of the rusty spots? I'm pretty uncertain. It could improve the view but it hits somehow the history of the object. I put the blade in Gunnex Ballistol oil for 3 days and polishes with 0000 steel wool. I was not expecting miracles and the result is ok. At least I could remove the active rust layer but you have the darker rust scars which are not really deep but visible.  I could preserve the condition with rennaissance wax and that''s it,... but.... 

How are you treating such objects which are somehow interesting but are condition wise in between.....

 

BR

 

Thomas

 

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Hello . I am looking for English m 1888 mki and mk Ii . So if you have let me know . Thank you .

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On 18/03/2024 at 18:14, Harzer said:

BTW. as collector would you polish the blade carefully and sensible to clean up/delete some of the rusty spots? I'm pretty uncertain. It could improve the view but it hits somehow the history of the object. I put the blade in Gunnex Ballistol oil for 3 days and polishes with 0000 steel wool. I was not expecting miracles and the result is ok. At least I could remove the active rust layer but you have the darker rust scars which are not really deep but visible.  I could preserve the condition with rennaissance wax and that''s it,... but.... 

How are you treating such objects which are somehow interesting but are condition wise in between.....

 

BR

 

Thomas

 

I have restored many a blade, my recommendation for a sympathetic restoration for a period price- if you wish to get rid of the rust- get a spoon, make sure it has a full edge and you can scrape the active rust off. It won’t damage the underlying blueing. 

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