English Aircraft shot down by JAsta 47?

[observer]

 

[observer]

Graphic. Groundcrew belonging to Jasta 47 (Royal Württemberg) posing amid the wreckage of an English aircraft on Flickr - Photo Sharing! Can this be confirmed? Also of Interest: Any WWI or contemporary pictures of the site of Georges Guynemer death? {"...800 yards east of the cemetery of Poelcapelle..."} In a 1918 book of Guynemer by Mortane are several photographs including: A picture of Guynemer wearing 3 medals and described as a "Second Lt" standing atop the tailfin of a shot down aircraft -"Cross Patee" insignia prominent p.24 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Guynemer_the_Ace_of_Aces/ZCc2AAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Guynemer+by+Mortane+1918&printsec=frontcover A picture in a forest of remains of shot down aircraft by Guynemer surounded by French soldiers-plane shot to pieces and burned to cinder.p.48 https://archive.org/details/guynemeraceoface00mort/page/n96/mode/1up Guynemer and a Boche p.146 https://archive.org/details/guynemeraceoface00mort/page/n214/mode/1up debris of 3 planes shot down by Guynemer March 16, 1917 {A picture showing at least one of them was captured intact}p.156 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Guynemer_the_Ace_of_Aces/ZCc2AAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Guynemer+by+Mortane+1918&printsec=frontcover A Picture of Guynemer's pilot ID card from a German newspaper.226 A picture of a Calling card of a Guynemer victium-that of a "Hans Reitter" who had been a Lt in a B{?} Dragoon Regiment Prince Carl # 22 p.226 https://archive.org/details/guynemeraceoface00mort/page/n306/mode/1up

[nils d]

Look at the size of that wheel.This is from a big plane so not a scout.

[AOK4]

I don't understand what @observer is trying to say. Does he think that the picture shows the wreckage of Guynemer's plane? Jasta 47 didn't even exist at the time Guynemer was shot down. And Guynemer crashed just in front of the German frontline, so how on earth could some ground crew people from Jasta 47 (which didn't exist yet) pose for a picture in the middle of Third Ypres?

There are no pictures of Guynemer's crash as it was totally impossible to take pics on that location. There are a few snippets of information about the crash in regimental histories and diaries, but nothing to re-open this case.

Jan

[observer]

Let me explain

 

this actually has 2 different topics....

1) On the RAF aircraft shot down by jasta 47

2) The second are queires and links regarding Guynemer 

sorry If i wrote them as if they were connected...NOT

[McCudden]

It’s a larger type wheel and the Palmer Cord Aero tyre size appears to be 750 x 125. The only aircraft I know of which used that size wheel and tyre was the FE2b and  DH9/9a though I suspect that similar sized bombers would have used them too. The photograph therefore indicates a medium bomber of  DH4, DH9 or F2b size. 
 

Alec

[observer]

thank you for identification..according to wikipedia JASta 47 only claimed victoreies from 11 March to 16 July 1918 {14 claims}

Commander of JASta 47 Walter Kypke made three claims of which the first 2 were –a Royal Aircraft Factory RE.8 on 12 April 1918 over Merris, another RE.8 on 25 May 1918, {the 3d was a spad)

8 other victores {Sopwirh camels, Neuiport Scout and SE5a} were down by ace Friedrich Ehman https://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/ehmann1.php

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2545996

1 victory SE5A  [No 1 RAF Sq] 11 MAY 1918 by Sgt Ehman https://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23199

an abservation baloon shot down by JASta 47 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Black_September_1918/16RwEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=killed+.+The+balloon+was+apparently+attacked+by+Jasta+47+but+the+name+of+the+claimant+is+unknown+.&pg=PT220&printsec=frontcover

13 accounted for....one of the two victories by Kypke?

[topgun1918]

Ah, Wikipedia, that font of all ... (complete as deemed appropriate)!

According to the late Rick Duiven, Jasta 47 submitted 17 credited claims between 11 March and 4 November 1918, 14 of them up to 5 July; four days later the Jasta moved from Ennemain to St Marie á Py and faced the French, securing credit for a further three victories.

Lieut Charles Adolphe Pelletier (Kia), No 1 Squadron, was indeed lost in S.E.5a C6444 on 11 May 1918, but went down over Bailleul about 20 minutes before Ehmann made his claim.  Pelletier's victor has also been suggested as Ltn Karl Mendel of Jasta 18, but a better fit is the claim by Ltn Raven Frhr von Barnekow of Jasta 20, Dickebusch at 18:10 German Time, only five minutes adrift of the time quoted for Pelletier's loss in RAF records and not too bad a fit in terms of location.

A discussion of the day's action is at https://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69879

The only credited balloon victory appears to have been by Ltn d R Wilhelm Meyer on 16 September who was shot down killed attacking another balloon eight days later.  

Graeme

 

[observer]

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