Celticfox Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March I am just starting to research a little of the history of my Great great Uncle - Trooper Thomas McNair (or MacNair) Harvey, No 1169 of the 7th L.H.R who was killed in action on 16th May 1917 at El Magam by a “bullet left breast”. While I have tracked down the basic NAA records held on his enlistment & service, I have yet to find out much on his activities & deployments through his 2 years in service, or the particular engagement which led to his death. I stumbled across your thread, and while your research covers a period a few months after his death, I would be most grateful for any pointers you might have towards more detail on the 7th L.H.R.’s history at this time and any useful sources of further information. In the records for him, mention is made of “Hill 280” wadi Imleh, so any maps of the area from the time would also be interesting to me. It would be nice to piece together a fuller picture to add to the family records to pass to future generations, along with the “death penny” and other effects & photographs in my possession from him. My thanks for any support that may be forthcoming. C.F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 8 March Admin Share Posted 8 March Welcome to the GWF @stevenbecker contributed to the earlier thread as 'Guest' my tag should alert him to your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celticfox Posted 8 March Author Share Posted 8 March Thank you, Ken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celticfox Posted 8 March Author Share Posted 8 March Further to another quick browse on this excellent site, I have found my way to the War diaries for the 7th L.H.R., extracts of which start to shed light on the engagement which led to his death: So it looks like this was most likely the specific action in which he and one other were killed. I think I came across the name of another 7th Trooper buried with him in Gaza and killed on the same day - I will recheck the records and see if I can place them together. Can anyone shed further light on what is meant when referring to a “screen”? Is this some sort of forward recce they are referring to? Any further detail, maps, photos etc of the area or anything else of interest would be most welcomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celticfox Posted 8 March Author Share Posted 8 March Certainly the references to Wadi Imleh & El Magam tie up. Can anyone shed light on the referenced “Field Return B213” - are these forms archived or accessible in any way? It is not something I have come across before. I also see the abbreviation “do” a lot: can anyone advise on what it stands for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 8 March Share Posted 8 March (edited) Mate, I record him as; HARVEY Thomas McNair 1169 Pte 7 LHR 8R tos C Sqn 12-15 to A Sqn D Troop or B Troop? 4-16 in (Lt Holland's Troop) 9-16 reported shot to L/breast on patrol crossing Wadi Sheria just north Pt 340 at El Magam buried by Chaplain Backhouse on battlefield near El Magam reburied Gaza War Cemetery Patestine N/R Stationhand 22 Blackburn Yass NSW Enl 24-5-15 KIA 16-5-17 Nok Yass NSW / Birmingham USA The other soldier was BAXTER Albert 1229 Pte 7 LHR 9R tos A Sqn C Troop? 12-15 to L/Cpl 8-16 revert 1-17 (Lt Holland's Troop) reported shot on patrol crossing Wadi Sheria just north Pt 340 at El Magam buried by Chaplain Backhouse on battlefield near El Magam reburied Gaza War Cemetery Patestine (Boer War FCo/NSWIB (1232) and Buchuanaland Rifles to Natal Rebellion 1906 Natal Rangers N/R Miner 43 Whitton NSW Enl 4-7-15 KIA 16-5-17 Nok Whitton NSW I hope the details are enough for what you want Confussion over what Troop Lt Holland comes from the know records HOLLAND Clive Edward 569 Pte 7 LHR C Sqn to L/Cpl 2-15 WIA 22-5-15 R/foot shrapnel when C Sqn att 11Bn on Bolton's ridge evac to hosp Malta 6-15 rtn 9-15 to T/Cpl (from dunn) 10-15 (G) to SQMS 12-15 to RQMS RHQ 12-15 Serbian Cross of Kara George 1st class - reported for his work at Romani Aug 1916 prom 2/Lt A Sqn D Troop (from Ryan B Sqn C Troop WIA) 6-9-16 shown A Sqn D Troop (unit RO's) 11-16 T/att school of Instruction (20th officers general course) Zeitoun 11-16 MID - for his capture of LtCol Serif Bey and staff 53rd Turkish Div at 1st Gaza 26-3-17 and for the action with Lt Carter's Troop which captured a Turk patrol 24/25-4-17 to Adjt RHQ (from Davies) 6-17 T/att school of Instruction (Hotchkiss instructor MG course) Zeitoun 10-17 MID - reason not stated shown possibly B Sqn? 12-18 later WWII PS, The History of the 7th Light Horse Regt 1914-19 by LtCol Richardson It details pretty much the service of the Regt and Tom's part in the story As to the others details, photos and such, you could contact the AWM (Australian War Memorial) in Canberra for any info they have on him Edited 8 March by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celticfox Posted 8 March Author Share Posted 8 March Perfect - thanks, Steven. I will search out a copy of the book you suggest. Out of interest, how would I go about finding out when/where the troop ship on which he embarked docked? In slower time, I will try and piece together where all he served from when he arrived in the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 8 March Admin Share Posted 8 March 4 hours ago, Celticfox said: Can anyone shed further light on what is meant when referring to a “screen”? Is this some sort of forward recce they are referring to? It is a defensive reconnaissance. Whilst one hesitates to give wiki as a source it is explained in detail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screening_(tactical) The Light Horse were mounted infantry and had honed their tactics in the Boer War. It was considered a basic role of the Light Horse, which is probably why no explanation needed in the diary. 4 hours ago, Celticfox said: I also see the abbreviation “do” a lot: can anyone advise on what it stands for? Do is a diminution of "Ditto" or "the same as stated above" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March (edited) Mate, From what I understand this reinf like a few others around that time were quickly pack up and sent to Gallipoli, But on arrival at Murdos they were attached to the Advance Base there and remained until the evacuation on and rtn to Egypt joining the Regt there. Problem come when not all these men from that Reinf were sent, other remained in Egypt, so there dates for joining the Regt very from Dec 1915 to Jan 1916 The ships (I believed) docked at Suez, and men were sent to a holding unit in Egypt until the higher up decided what they wanted to do with them. The 8R arrived about the end of Aug early Sept and would have been sent to the OS Base depot in Cairo I afraid the records are unclear here, and only a check of someone who wrote a diary would confirm that (check the AWM for such) Sorry it not much here to confirm until he arrived at his Regt in Jan 1916 It should look like this to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 tos C Sqn 1-16 He shows returned to Regt in Jan 1916, but others show once the Regt was evac from Gallipoli 20 Dec 1915, many joined the Regt on Mudros, but its unclear if they did? Thats why the confussion about Tos (taken of strength) dates? Sorry if this has confussed you PS, just to give you some idea of what was happening here, these men are from his Reinf and they differ BARR Frederick Leighton 1155 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Bse 9-15 tos C Sqn 12-15 shown C Sqn cook 5-16 att Staff Anzac rest camp Port Said 11-16 rtn C Sqn 12-16 shown C Sqn 1-17 to hosp (boils neck) 5-17 rtn 5-17 to hosp (circumcision) 6-17 rtn 7-17 T/att 2 LH Bde Sup sect 9-17 T/att rest camp Port Said 10-17 to Gallipoli 11-18 rtn 1-19 to Dtls camp 3-19 to UK leave 3-19 BELL James 1156 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Bse 9-15 tos RHQ? 12-15 to hosp (sun stroke) 6-16 rtn 7-16 to hosp (malaria) 7-16 to Base Dtls 7-16 to AIF depots (4 com) Parkhouse UK 9-16 to 14 Trg Bn UK 10-16 to 5 ADBD Etaples 11-16 to DCo/56Bn 12-16 to hosp 9scabies) 3-17 rtn 3-17 WIA 12-5-17 chest, neck & L/arm shrapnel reported during work parties around Noreuil F&B RTA wounded disch 20-3-18 BURTON Norman George Manly Joseph 1157 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Bse 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 Tos A Sqn D Troop 1-16 to hosp (septic - debility) 6-17 rtn 6-17 T/att camp Comandant Div HQ 7-17 rtn 8-17 att (30th Hotchkiss MG Course) School of Instruction Zeitoun 8-17 rtn 9-17 to L/Cpl 11-17 T/att (35th MG Course) School of Instruction Zeitoun 2-18 WIA 28-3-18 back/groin shot reported 2 killed 2 MIA and 27 wounded during advance by A & C Sqn's at Amman RTA wounded for change AKA Sperman George Burton BOLTON Charles Theophilus 1158 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Bse 9-15 Tos C Sqn 11-15 (G) to hosp (influ) 12-15 rtn 1-16 to L/Cpl (from carroud) 4-16 to Cpl (from harding) 6-16 to hosp (piles & VD) 7-16 RTA MU disch 14-11-16 Ex ACo/1Bn AN&MEF (80) shown barman Canteens to Rabaul RTA disch 4-3-15 (D Troop ASqn/13 LH VMR 4 years to 2 LH Field Troop AE CMF 1 year) As you can see by these four men, two are shown joining the Regt in Dec 1915 in Egypt, and one in Jan 1916, and the other joined the Regt on Gallipoli The Regt arrived back in Egypt 25 Dec 1915 and railed to Cairo first Heliopolis, the Maadi by the 28 Dec. Edited 9 March by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 9 March Share Posted 9 March Mate, I was rechecking my facts here and found what I was after in this mans service record. RALPH Bertie Leslie 1154 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos A Sqn 12-15 to S/Sgt Orderly Room RHQ (from norman) 7-16 to Records Sect AIF HQ Cairo 7-16 to ER Wo1 5-19 MID - reason not stated RTA on duty (unit not stated possibly HCo/41 IR (Blue Mountains) CMF 3 years) brother Percy Lt MM 53Bn KIA The ship appears to have docked at Suez 1 Sept 1915 And the men moved into camp While he joined the Regt 28 Dec 1915 I did read other accounts that mention arrival in Aug (late), while that's possible, I have yet to confirm the date, other then confirmed in Bertie's records. I could list all the men in the 8R 7 LHR, if you like to compare them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celticfox Posted 11 March Author Share Posted 11 March Hi Steven, many thanks for this further detail - it all helps! I think piecing together this first few weeks/months from disembarking will be the trickier bit, so anything you do come across is appreciated. I am still getting to grips with the abbreviations & acronyms, but starting to get used to it. If you did have access to the names of the men in 8R 7LHR, that would be great - it may shed light on how they were all deployed in the first few weeks/months. Given that Tom was an experienced & capable horseman, he will probably have been kept around them, but then again common sense was not always the name of the game in deployments - my grandfather spent the first part of WW2 training men in mountain warfare, only to be deployed to 3ft below sea level in Holland. Go figure! Regarding the various troop ship movements: are records on these held anywhere, and do you know what level of detail there was of those on board any given “leg”? Starting to piece a little more around Tom’s death, having come across this map. I will see what other diaries may exist charting the push northwards towards Gaza, and will try and get hold of a copy of the 7th’s history by LtCol Richardson. It seems a fairly “kinetic” period, especially for the horsemen given the nature of the terrain, though rather brutal for men & horses alike with the climate. Anyway, thank you again for all the assistance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 11 March Share Posted 11 March (edited) Mate, Just to start you off According to the good book, this reinf had; 48 men with numbers (1152 to 1214) embarked on the "Suffolk" at Sydney 28-7-15 As always things are not always want they seam HOGG Owen Stanley Byames Lt 7 LHR 8R to OS Bse 9-15 Tos possibly C Sqn A Troop (from Lt Hampton) 12-15 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to 110Bty/10 FAB 3-16 F&B to ADentC 84 Dent Unit 5 & 6 Trg Bns Rollestone UK 7-17 att 26 Dent Unit 3 AAuxH Dartford UK 12-17 rtn 6-18 prom Capt 7-18 rtn 8-18 RTA on duty BARR Frederick Leighton 1155 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos C Sqn 12-15 shown C Sqn cook 5-16 att Staff Anzac rest camp Port Said 11-16 rtn C Sqn 12-16 shown C Sqn 1-17 to hosp (boils neck) 5-17 rtn 5-17 to hosp (circumcision) 6-17 rtn 7-17 T/att 2 LH Bde Sup sect 9-17 T/att rest camp Port Said 10-17 to Gallipoli 11-18 rtn 1-19 to Dtls camp 3-19 to UK leave 3-19 BELL James 1156 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos RHQ? 12-15 to hosp (sun stroke) 6-16 rtn 7-16 to hosp (malaria) 7-16 to Base Dtls 7-16 to AIF depots (4 com) Parkhouse UK 9-16 to 14 Trg Bn UK 10-16 to 5 ADBD Etaples 11-16 to DCo/56Bn 12-16 to hosp (scabies) 3-17 rtn 3-17 WIA 12-5-17 chest, neck & L/arm shrapnel reported during work parties around Noreuil F&B RTA wounded disch 20-3-18 BURTON Norman George Manly Joseph 1157 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 (G) Tos A Sqn D Troop 1-16 to hosp (septic - debility) 6-17 rtn 6-17 T/att camp Comandant Div HQ 7-17 rtn 8-17 att (30th Hotchkiss MG Course) School of Instruction Zeitoun 8-17 rtn 9-17 to L/Cpl 11-17 T/att (35th MG Course) School of Instruction Zeitoun 2-18 WIA 28-3-18 back/groin shot reported 2 killed 2 MIA and 27 wounded during advance by A & C Sqn's at Amman RTA wounded for change AKA Sperman George Burton BOLTON Charles Theophilus 1158 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos C Sqn 11-15 (G) to hosp (influ) 12-15 rtn 1-16 to L/Cpl (from carroud) 4-16 to Cpl (from harding) 6-16 to hosp (piles & VD) 7-16 RTA MU disch 14-11-16 Ex ACo/1Bn AN&MEF (80) shown barman Canteens to Rabaul RTA disch 4-3-15 (D Troop ASqn/13 LH VMR 4 years to 2 LH Field Troop AE CMF 1 year) DICKSON-BATTYE Arthur 1160 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 (G) Tos B Sqn 1-16 to hosp (piles) 7-16 rtn 8-16 to L/Cpl 11-16 shown B Sqn 12-16 T/att (27th Hotchkiss MG Course) School of Instruction Zeitoun 6-17 att rest camp El fara 7-17 to hosp (influ - septic) 7-17 rtn 7-17 revert to Pte 2 LH Bde Sup Sect 9-17 to 34Co AASC Anzac MDT 9-17 to hosp (malaria) 6-18 to AASC Trg unit 8-18 rtn 34Co 9-18 to T/Cpl (from johnson) 10-18 revert to 32Co 11-18 to hosp (malaria) 12-18 to UK leave 3-19 to NME UK cattle breeding 6-19 AKA Arthur Elvington Dickson -Battye FLETT Lenmore Milton 1162 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos C Sqn B or D Troop 12-15 T/att (31st Hotchkiss MG Course) School of Instruction Zeitoun 10-17 to hosp (dental - dysentry) 4-18 to 2 LHTR 4-18 to APostC ABPO Kantara 4-18 to hosp (pteryguim) 10-18 to rest camp 11-18 to hosp (conjunctivitis) 1-19 rtn 2-19 RTA on postal duties (shown 13 IR possibly FCo/14 IR (Hunter River) CMF later WWII Cpl 8 Garr Bn to 31 Garr Bn (N102357) GARROOD Jesse 1163 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos C Sqn 11-15 recom - for his good work where the last to leave Anzac 19/20-12-15 (G) to L/Cpl 2-16 to T/Cpl 4-16 to Cpl 5-16 to SQMS C Sqn? (from jones) 11-16 to 2 LHTR 6-17 T/att Trade Test 67 Sqn AFC 7-17 rtn 9-17 to T/RQMS RHQ (from teschner) 3-18 to RQMS 6-18 to 2 LHTR 7-18 rtn 8-18 to Gallipoli 11-18 rtn 1-19 MID - reason not stated RTA early repat HAGAN Linton 1165 Pte 7 LHR 8R disemb Melbourne ill relist 2R/ICC (1092) to 1 LHTR 8-16 to ICC Trg unit 9-16 Tos 12Co/3Bn ICC 9-16 to hosp (influ) 9-16 to 14Co/3Bn 10-16 WIA 12-11-16 injury to jaw accident by camel at Abbassia to 2/AM 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 12-16 to hosp (tonsilitis) 2-17 rtn 2-17 to hosp (pyrexia - DAH) 6-17 RTA MU DAH & epilepsy disch 31-1-18 HARLAND Thomas 1166 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos A Sqn 11-15 (G) att Anzac MD HQ 7-17 rtn 8-17 to hosp (influ) 12-17 to 2 LHTR 2-18 rtn A Sqn 4-18 to hosp (pyrexia) 7-18 rtn 7-18 to Gallipoli 11-18 rtn 1-19 to L/Cpl 1-19 att Bde dump 3-19 rtn 4-19 HOLDEN Charles 1167 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to hosp (sick) 11-15 Tos Sig RHQ? 12-15 WIA 9-8-16 L/arm & chest shot reported 5 killed and 16 wounded during attack around Hod el Hisha at Bir el Abd RTA wounded disch 15-3-17 HARVEY Thomas McNair 1169 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 (G) tos C Sqn 1-16 to A Sqn D Troop or B Troop? 4-16 in (Lt Holland's Troop) 9-16 reported shot to L/breast on patrol crossing Wadi Sheria just north Pt 340 at El Magam buried by Chaplain Backhouse on battlefield near El Magam reburied Gaza War Cemetery Patestine KEPPIE James Stuart 1170 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 (G) Tos RHQ? 1-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to Gnr 37Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to hosp (rheum) 4-16 rtn 4-16 to Arty Dtls Tel el Kebir 5-16 to AATD Parkhouse UK 6-16 to AGBD Etaples 3-17 to 2 Anzac Corps HQ 3-17 to AGBD Roelles 9-17 rtn 37Bty/10 FAB 9-17 att batman to 2nd Army school 12-17 rtn 2-18 to hosp 9scabies) 6-18 rtn 7-18 to Dvr (from rixon) 10-18 F&B later WWII Pte 1 Garr Bn (Q187560) died illness buried Toowong Cemetery Qld AKA James Stewart Keppie brother Walter 01 LHR (2821) KNIGHT Leslie Hugh 1172 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 (G) to hosp Lemnos (mumps) 12-15 Tos A Sqn 1-16 to hosp (dysentry - enteric) 5-16 rtn 6-16 att Anzac MD HQ 7-17 rtn 8-17 to hosp (influ - pyrexia) 10-17 rtn to L/Cpl A Sqn 11-17 WIA 27-3-18 L/buttock shot reported C Sqn lost 3 officers and 20 men wounded during advance at Amman to 2 LHTR 4-18 rtn A Sqn 5-18 to T/SQMS C Sqn? (from telfer) 7-18 revert to T/Cpl (from milson) 8-18 to Cpl (from walker) 10-18 to T/Sgt (from cunningham) 11-18 to Gallipoli 11-18 rtn 1-19 to Sgt 2-19 to UK leave 3-19 (A Troop ASqn/11 LH (Aust Horse) CMF 1 month later WWII Lt to Capt 18Bn VDC & 14Bn VDC (N377265) LEWIS Hugh 1173 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos B Sqn 11-15 (G) to hosp (piles) 3-16 rtn batman to Capt Easterbrook B Sqn 3-16 att Anzac MD HQ 6-16 rtn 7-16 att No 3 sect Mahamadiya 11-16 rtn to C Sqn 12-16 WIA 9-1-17 minor at Rafa T/att No 3 Sub Sect Mazar 2-17 T/att (unknown Staff Course) School of Instruction Zeitoun 3-17 att batman to Capt Easterbrook 2 LH Bde HQ 3-17 to hosp (sick) 4-17 rtn 10-17 att 2 LH Bde HQ 4-18 rtn 5-18 to hosp (dysentry) 5-18 to 2 LHTR 7-18 rtn C Sqn? 8-18 att 2 LH Bde HQ 9-18 LLOYD Archibald 1174 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 reported stowaway to Anzac 10-15 tos A Sqn (G) not confirmed? Tos A Sqn 12-15 to Arm/Sgt RHQ (from black) 1-16 shown RHQ 2-16 att AOC Base Armours school at Alexandria 2-17 rtn 3-17 to hosp (septic - gastro) 7-17 rtn 7-17 to 2 LHTR 8-17 att HQ A&NZ TC&DC 8-17 att RHQ/8 LHR 1-18 to AAOC Ordnance 2-18 to hosp (sick) 10-18 rtn 10-18 to hosp (VD) 6-19 to Transport camp 8-19 AKA Archibald Torrens Lloyd CARMODY John 1196 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to hosp (tonsilitis) 9-15 tos B Sqn 10-15 crimed 18-11-15 drunk given 7 days FP2 & loss 7 days pay evac to hosp Egypt (dysentry) 12-15 (G) rtn 1-16 to hosp (bronchitis) 1-16 rtn 3-16 to 1 LHTR 3-16 to hosp (pleurisy) 3-16 rtn 5-16to Arty Dtls Tel el Kebir 5-16 to AATD Parkhouse UK 6-16 to AIF depot (1 com) Perham downes UK 1-17 RTA MU post operation hernia disch 6-3-18 MU married Fanny Robins in Bradford UK 3-3-17 DEAN Harold Herbert 1197 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos RHQ? 12-15 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to T/Cpl 113Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to Sgt 5-16 to 113Bty/13 FAB 7-16 to cadet RA school 8-17 prom 2/Lt 7-2-18 to AGBD Rouelles 3-18 to 5 DAC 3-18 to 55Bty/14 FAB 7-18 WIA 22-10-18 head & R/hip injuries accident near St Martin and Le Cateau F&B RTA invalided MU injuried head and back brothers Clarence 45Bn & Percy FAB FULLER Frederick Harvey 1198 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos RHQ? 12-15 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to T/Bdr 113Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to BHQ 4-16 to Bdr 5-16 to A/Cpl 9-16 to 55Bty/14 FAB 1-17 to 53Bty 3-17 to hosp (debility - trench fever) 7-17 to AIF depot (3 com) Hurdcott UK 9-17 to AGBD Rouelles 11-16 rtn 14 FAB 11-17 to hosp (scabies) 11-17 rtn 11-17 to Cpl 3-18 F&B to war records Admin HQ AIF HQ London UK 1-19 to ER S/Sgt 4-19 married Victoria Greig at St Martin's in the Field London UK 13-1-19 later WWII Lt 8Bn VDC to 24Bn VDC to Capt HQ VDC (N389237) GRACE Edmund 1199 Pte 7 LHR 8R to (Cpl) OS Base 9-15 to hosp (malaria - gastro enteric) 10-15 revert to Adv base Murdos 12-15 (G) Tos B Sqn 1-16 to hosp (mumps) 2-16 rtn 2-16 FGCM 18-7-16 AWoL (stowaway to France) sentenced 80 days detn rtn B Sqn 9-16 to T/Cpl Motor Dvr 2 LH Bde HQ 10-16 to Cpl (from provis) 11-16 to hosp (malaria) 11-16 to 2 LHTR 1-17 rtn 2 LH Bde HQ 1-17 to HQ A&NZ TC&DC 3-17 to 2 LHTR 7-17 to Anzac MD HQ 10-17 to hosp (malaria) 4-18 rtn HQ 6-18 to hosp (sick) 6-18 rtn 7-18 to Dtls camp 8-18 RTA 1914 leave Ex ECo/1Bn AN&MEF (491) to Rabaul RTA disch 1-1-15 IBBOTT Roger Bothwell 1201 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos C Sqn 12-15 to hosp (mumps) 2-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 rtn C Sqn 5-16 to hosp (cold) 12-16 rtn 12-16 to 9 MVS 7-17 to hosp (VD) 6-18 to AAVC trg unit 8-18 rtn 9 MVS 11-18 att 8 MVS 4-19 rtn 5-19 RTA early repat later WWII Pte 25Bn VDC (N427349) brother John 7 LHR IBBOTT John Hellmann 1202 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos C Sqn 12-15 to hosp (mumps) 1-16 rtn 2-16 to hosp (rheum) 6-16 rtn C Sqn 8-16 to hosp (rheum) 11-16 to 2 LHTR 11-16 att (S/Smith Course) 20 BVH at Moascar 2-17 to hosp (rheum) 3-17 to 3 LHTR 3-17 to AAVC Trg unit 4-17 to 9 MVS 6-17 to hosp (tonsilitis) 3-18 rtn 4-18 att 8 MVS 5-18 rtn 6-18 to hosp (sick) 10-18 to AAVC Trg depot 12-18 rtn 9 MVS 3-19 att 8 MVS 4-19 rtn 5-19 brother Roger 7 LHR CLAYDON Stewart 1207 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos RHQ? 12-15 to hosp (mumps) 1-16 rtn 1-16 to hosp (tonsilitis) 2-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to 38Bty/10 FAB 3-16 WIA 20-10-16 L/wrist accident reported shot (not SIW) in firing line near St Eloi to 4 DAC 12-16 to 111Bty/11 FAB 1-17 att ordinance Wksp 2-17 att 4 Div HQ 4-17 att AVH Calais 9-17 to Gnr Groom to Capt Heywood 4 MVS att 4 Bde HQ 10-17 F&B to AFC depot UK 7-18 to cadet 2 SMA Oxford UK 9-18 to 2/AM 8 Trg Sqn AFC Wendover UK 11-18 to hosp (influ) 2-19 prom 2/Lt ATU Tetbury UK AFC 1-4-19 WIA 15-4-19 face accident in rough landing RTA other reasons (unit not stated possibly 39 IR (Burwood) CMF later WWII Lt to Staff Capt DAAG ED (N278847) brother Ernest CLARKE Oliver Joseph Bourke 1208 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos C Sqn B or D Troop 12-15 to hosp (bronchitis) 10-16 to 2 LHTR 11-16 att (24th Lewis MG Course) School of Instruction Zeitoun 2-17 rtn 3-17 rtn C Sqn 4-17 to hosp (synovis knee) 5-17 rtn 5-17 WIA 20-10-17 L/leg injury accident playing football near Kazar at Shellal rtn 12-17 WIA 5-1-18 L/shoulder accident playing football at Esdud to 2 LHTR 3-18 att Soldiers Club Kantara 3-18 rtn C Sqn B or D Troop 10-18 to Gallipoli 11-18 to hosp (influ) 12-18 to hosp 52 BGH at Salonika 1-19 rtn Egypt to hosp (pneum & influ) 3-19 RTA invalided MU disability FROST Henry James 1209 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos C Sqn 12-15 to hosp (bronchitis) 12-16 rtn 12-16 to hosp (boils leg - pneum) 5-17 RTA MU cardiac for 6 months change disch 12-3-18 (BSqn/7 LH (NSWL) CMF 1 month later WWII Lt 12Bn VDC (N372245) GILLIAM Daniel 1213 Pte 7 LHR 8R (2119) disemb Melbourne WIA 30-7-15 L/hip accident bayonet stab at Port Melbourne wharf disch 3-3-16 sentenced 2 years civil jail Goulburn with wife for fraud AKA alais Alfred William Gillett (shown British The Queen's (Royal West Surrey) Regt 10-8-1888 to 1-10-1900 to 1st (King's) Dragoon Guards 1-10-1900 -9-8-10 possibly not him but brother William James Gillett) EDWARDS Arthur Robert 1214 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 10-15 (G) to hosp 24 CCS (VD - gout) 10-15 rtn Adv Base 12-15 Tos C Sqn 1-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to hosp (synovis R/knee injury) 4-16 rtn 4-16 to hosp (buttock) 5-16 rtn 6-16 rtn C Sqn 7-16 to hosp (VD) 8-16 RTA MU for home service disch 26-12-16 MU old appendix scar (Boer War DCo/NSWIB (702) and Cpl 3 NSWMR (3524) ROLLINSON John Leslie 1152 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos RHQ? 11-15 evac to hosp Egypt (frost bite) 12-15 (G) to Dvr 6Co AASC 2 LH Bde Trn 1-16 to hosp (cheiropompholya) 3-16 to 2 LHTR 6-16 to HT&S Havre 2-17 to 1 Entr Bn 2-17 to hosp (eczema) 3-17 to AGBD Etaples 4-17 rtn 1 Entr Bn 8-17 to 1Co AASC 1 Div Trn 8-17 T/att 1 DAC 4-18 to 36 HAG 4-18 to 2 Siege Bty 5-18 to hosp (influ - rheum) 8-18 rtn 9-18 to hosp (influ) 11-18 rtn 11-18 F&B RTA 1915 leave Ex 12 LHR (532) deserter before emb (5Bty or 6Bty Garr Arty (GA) Sydney CMF 2 years) RALPH Bertie Leslie 1154 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos A Sqn 12-15 to S/Sgt Orderly Room RHQ (from norman) 7-16 to Records Sect AIF HQ Cairo 7-16 to ER Wo1 5-19 MID - reason not stated RTA on duty (unit not stated possibly HCo/41 IR (Blue Mountains) CMF 3 years) brother Percy Lt MM 53Bn KIA MICHAEL Victor Frank 1176 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos A Sqn 11-15 WIA 1-12-15 R/arm shrapnel reported two wounded when shelled at Ryries Post evac to 2 AGH Egypt 12-15 (G) RTA wounded disch 22-3-17 relist 7 NSW GSR (54465) tos 14 Trg Bn Hurdcott UK 8-18 to 12 Trg Bn Hurdcott UK 9-16 to 9 Trg Bn 9-18 to 34Bn 1-19 F&B MONKTON William Alfred 1177 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos A Sqn? 12-15 to hosp (pyrexia) 3-16 rtn 3-16 to L/Cpl C Sqn (from bradley) 12-16 to hosp (debility) 6-17 to 2 LHTR 7-17 rtn C Sqn 9-17 att rest camp El Fukhari to hosp (gastro) 9-17 rtn 10-17 to T/Cpl (from turner) 12-17 revert (from dwyer) 2-18 att (unknown course) School of Instruction Zietoun 3-18 to hosp (VD) 3-18 to 2 LHTR 4-18 rtn 6-18 to T/Cpl C Sqn D Troop (from mccarthy) 8-18 to Cpl 10-18 to Gallipoli 11-18 rtn 1-19 RTA early repat other reasons (21 IR (Woollahra) CMF later WWII Wo2 8Bn VDC (N334083) MYLNE James Patrick 1178 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos RHQ? 12-15 to 2 LHTR 3-16 WIA 8-5-16 R/Leg accident fractured patella in horse fall at Hellioplis rtn 5-16 to hosp (old injury) 5-16 RTA MU old injury disch 18-9-16 MU POTTS Leonard Malcolm 1181 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos RHQ? 12-15 att RFC school 1-17 to cadet 3 SMA Aboukir 3-17 to 21 Res Sqn RFC Abbassia 4-17 to 20 Res Sqn RFC Aboukir 5-17 to 22 Res Sqn RFC Aboukir 5-17 to 23 Res Sqn RFC Aboukir 5-17 prom 2/Lt (pilot) 30-4-17 to 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 6-17 to hosp (debility) 4-18 RTA invalided MU disch 27-11-18 MU later WWII S/Ldr Admin duties RAAF (260330) AKA Leonard Malcolm Sumner Potts or Sumner-Potts brother Jack 7 LHR PRATT Phillip 1182 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos B Sqn 12-15 to hosp (influ) 2-16 rtn 2-16 to hosp (bronchitis) 11-16 rtn 11-16 shown batman to Lt Johnson C Sqn to B Sqn 12-16 shown batman to Lt Johnson T/att CTC 12-16 to hosp (injury Leg) 3-17 rtn 3-17 to 2 LH Bde HQ 8-17 rtn 9-18 to hosp (colitis) 10-18 rtn 11-18 to hosp (dysentry - pneum) 11-18 RTA invalided MU abcess to liver & malaria AKA Phillip Sydney Pratt POTTS Eric Edward Noble 1184 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos C Sqn 12-15 to hosp ( influ) 1-16 to 2 LHTR 4-16 to hosp (small pox) 5-16 to AADT Parkhouse UK 8-16 to Dvr 120Bty Parkhouse UK 10-16 to 113Bty/13 FAB 3-17 to hosp (influ) 4-17 to AGBD Rouelles 12-17 rtn 13 FAB 12-17 to hosp (VD) 8-18 rtn 10-18 F&B married Jeannie Robertson in Corstorphine Scotland UK 25-6-19 RICHARDSON Charles 1186 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 (G) Tos A Sqn 1-16 shown A Sqn 2-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to Gnr 39Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 6-16 to hosp (influ) 5-17 rtn 5-17 F&B to AIF depot (4 com) Hurdcott UK 1-19 REID James Graham Snr 1187 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos 10-15 evac to hosp Egypt (pyrexia) 10-15 (G) rtn 1-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to Gnr 39Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to HQ/10 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 11-16 to hosp (orchitis - arthritis) 1-17 F&B to AIF depot (4 com) Hurdcott UK 12-17 RTA MU age and arthritis disch 1-5-18 MU age Son James 12 LHR REECE Thomas Edward Deane 1188 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 (G) Tos RHQ? 1-16 to A/Cpl 1-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to T/CSM KCo/CTC 3-16 at Ein el Shams WFF disch to Egyptian CTC prom 2/Lt to Capt RASC died Wentworth Falls in Australia from war causes buried NSW SPENCER Edward Leigh 1189 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos A Sqn 12-15 WIA 9-8-16 buttock minor shot at Bir el Abd att trade test 67 Sqn AFC 11-16 to 2/AM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 12-16 to A/Cpl 69 Sqn AFC Shawbury UK 7-17 att 29 Trg Sqn RFC Shawbury UK 7-17 att AFC Dtls Wendover UK 9-17 att 30 Sqn RFC Fern Hill UK 11-17 to A/Sgt 6 Trg Sqn AFC Minchinhamton UK 1-18 to 1 Wing HQ AFC UK 3-18 att (photograph course) school Farnbro UK 3-18 rtn 4-18 to Sgt 5-18 to photographer 7 Trg Sqn AFC Leighton UK 7-18 prom 2/Lt 11-8-18 to Equipt officer 2nd class 1 Wing HQ AFC Tetbury UK 8-18 to NME UK photography married Grace Osborn in Grantham UK 25-2-18 TRACY John Henry Styles 1190 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to hosp (injuries) not stated 9-15 Tos B Sqn 12-15 to hosp (dysentry) 2-18 to 2 LHTR 5-18 rtn B Sqn 7-18 to hosp (malaria) 8-18 to rest camp 12-18 RTA invalided MU malaria WALKDEN Richard Victor 1193 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 to Adv base Murdos 12-15 to hosp (sick) 12-15 (G) Tos RHQ? 1-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to Gnr 39Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to hosp (tonsilitis) 2-17 to AIF depot (1 com) Perham downes UK 4-17 to AGBD Rouelles 6-17 rtn 10 FAB 6-17 MM - for putting out fire in ammo dump near Messines 11-8-17 to T/Bdr (from newson) 10-18 att (sig course) School of Instruction 10-18 rtn 11-18 F&B married Merrion Kay at Morningside Edinburgh Scotland UK 5-2-19 WARD Jack Edmund 1194 Pte 7 LHR 8R disemb Melbourne disch 31-7-15 SNLR relist 9R (1283) to OS Base 11-15 tos RHQ 12-15 to hosp (influ) 6-16 rtn 6-16 to hosp (eipidymitis) 2-17 to 2 LHTR 2-17 att (20th Sig course) school of Instruction Zeitoun 4-17 rtn 6-17 to hosp (debility) 7-17 to T/Cpl Instractor staff HQ ANZ TC&DC 7-17 to hosp (malaria) 7-17 to 2 LHTR 9-17 to ANZ TC&DC 10-17 rtn Sig RHQ 12-17 att Sig Trg unit 8-18 rtn shown Sig C Sqn 9-18 to hosp (malaria) 10-18 to Sig Trg unit 12-18 rtn 2-19 possibly later WWII Sgt Darwin Bn (NX166504) brothers Gordon died & Alexander 7 LHR WILSON Stanley 1195 Pte 7 LHR 8R (633) to OS Base 9-15 tos RHQ 12-15 to hosp (dysentry) 8-16 rtn 8-16 att rest camp Shellal 7-17 to hosp (debility) 7-17 rtn 8-17 T/att 2 LH Bde Trn 8-17 to Dvr RHQ (from ryan) 3-18 revert 5-18 to hosp (pyrexia) 6-18 to 2 LHTR 7-18 rtn RHQ 8-18 to Dvr ( from booth) 8-18 to hosp (malaria) 9-18 to 2 LH Bde Dtls 11-18 to Soldiers Club Kantara 11-18 to hosp (tonsilitis) 1-19 RTA invalided MU malaria died at Sans Souci in Australia (21 IR (Woollahra) CMF 2 years) POTTS Jack Damond Summers 1203 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos B Sqn? 12-15 to L/Cpl (from mccree) 10-16 att cadet 3 SMA Aboukir 1-17 to hosp (septic sores) 1-17 rtn 1-17 to 21 Res Sqn RFC Abbassia 4-17 to 20 Res Sqn RFC Aboukir 5-17 to 22 Res Sqn RFC Aboukir 5-17 to 23 Res Sqn RFC Aboukir 5-17 prom 2/Lt 1-5-17 to (pilot) C Flight 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 6-17 reported MIA in RE 8 (B5854) with Lt Parkinson (only survivor PoW) died in mid air collision with 113 Sqn RFC plane with Capt Hewitt & Lt Butt during bomb raid near Jenin Germans reported him as slightly wounded in crash buried Jerusalem War Cemetery Palestine AKA Jack Daimond Sumner Potts brother Leonard 7 LHR PATTISON Frederick Dale 1204 Sig 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos RHQ? 12-15 to hosp (sick) 2-16 rtn 2-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to 39Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to T/Sgt 13 Trg Bn Codford UK 12-16 to 4 ADBD Havre 9-17 to Sgt 49Bn (from conaghan) 9-17 WIA 5-4-18 arm shot in counter attack by 13 Bde at Dernancourt F&B RTA invalided wounded (GCo/39 IR (Burwood) CMF later WWII S/Sgt RAE Stores (N101802) ROWLAND Paul Russell 1205 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos B Sqn 12-15 to T/Cpl 37Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to 10 BAC 4-16 to Gnr 4 DAC 7-16 to Dvr 4-17 to Dvr 43Bty/11 FAB 4-18 WIA 13-10-18 face accident injury near Busigny to AGBD Havre 11-18 rtn 11 FAB 12-18 F&B (shown Res Rifle Regt CMF 2 months) THOM Richard Vernon 1206 Sig 7 LHR 8R to A/RSM OS Base 9-15 to hosp (gastro enteric - mumps) 10-15 revert Tos RHQ? 2-16 to hosp (lumbago) 4-16 to 2 LHTR 5-16 to CTU ICC 9-16 to 1Co/1Bn ICC 10-16 to Sad/Sgt HQ/1Bn 2-17 to RHQ/14 LHR 7-18 to hosp (debility) 2-19 RTA invalided MU debility (RANR Maryborough Qld 8 months) McILWRAITH Lionel Andrew 1210 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos RHQ? 12-15 to 2 LHTR 3-16 to Orderly room Cpl HQ/25 FAB 3-16 to HQ/14 FAB 1-17 att records sect 3rd Ech GHQ at Rouen 1-18 to Orderly room Sgt 2-18 WIA 13-8-18 minor bomb in Flieger Abteilungen air attack on Rouen MID - reason not stated possibly end of war award F&B to AIF depot (2 com) Weymouth UK 4-19 (BSqn/7 LH (NSWL) CMF later WWII S/Sgt District Accounts Office APayC (N79472) PERRIE Harold Edward 1211 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 Tos Dvr 2 LH Bde Trn 6Co AASC 9-15 remain Egypt to L/Cpl Cook 1-16 to hosp (ingrown toenail) 7-16 rtn 7-16 to A/Cpl 11-16 revert to hosp (sick) 2-17 to AASC Trg depot No 4 camp Parkhouse UK 8-16 to 30Co AASC 6 Div Trn Parkhouse UK 3-17 to AGBD Rouelles 10-18 to 1Co 1 Div Trn 10-18 F&B RUTHERFORD George Alfred 1212 Pte 7 LHR 8R to OS Base 9-15 tos B Sqn 11-15 (G) to hosp (VD) 2-16 to 2 LHTR 3-16 rtn B Sqn 4-16 to hosp (diptheria) 7-16 rtn 7-16 WIA 19-4-17 abdoman shot possibly wounded with Sgt Hunter in OP line on Hill 510 & Hill 410 against Turkish Cav at 2nd Gaza to 2 LHTR 6-17 to hosp (old wound) 6-17 RTA MU old wound disch 1-11-17 (unit not stated possibly ACo/43 IR (werriwa) CMF 1 month) PS I should of added if you need help with my abbreviations & acronyms let me know Edited 11 March by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 13 March Share Posted 13 March Mate, Travel was always a problem in most of Australia during these years. Most had to come to the cities from the country, and most of the men (if not all) came from a fair distance (see Address and NOK's) Many men were on Cooee marches, which traveled by foot from country town, to town, picking up men as they went. You may need to check a diary for these men to see how they traveled. As to Ship movements, I only know the ships, again you may need to cross check for a Log book of the ship (HMTS Suffolk) for any details there. As for his death, around that time, we (ALH) was always after pushing the Turks, and we under took many operations to keep them on there toes At times we got into trouble, but always to push or engage the Turks. At that stage of the war we crossed the wadi a number of times, later in the year we pushed out to the East. but during May we tended to keep a patrol and outpost line along the Wadi and rotated Troops and Sqn's through there. Each Bde and Regt taking there turns, even my Camel Corps units set up there acting as a trip line I hope that gives you some back ground here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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