cockney tone Posted 19 April , 2005 Share Posted 19 April , 2005 ladies & Gents, 'HELP PLEASE' Years ago I purcahsed a really nice framed group photo of approx 40 men (Sergeants and officers) which is entitled 2nd Line 7th Kings Liverpool regiment. It states it was taken at Old Park Camp, Canterbury, Kent on 13th December 1915 and the men are all named. I intended to research the picture but have never found time to follow this up. (A couple of hours uninterupptedon the CWGC would be a start I suppose) It hangs proudly on my study wall and i often gaze at it and wonder what happened to them all? Does anybody know if the 7th went to France/flanders after this date? and what does '2nd Line mean? Any info/guidance would be welcomed please, Thank you, Scottie. (Cockney Tone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Lees Posted 19 April , 2005 Share Posted 19 April , 2005 Scottie, The 7th Bn. King's Liverpool Regt was a territorial battalion. Upon the outbreak of war it was realised that a massive expansion of the army was required and as one of the measures to cope with this expansion, each of the territorial battalions was instructed to recruit a 'second line' battalion - nominally to absorb those who didn't sign the Imperial Service form and to provide reinforcements for the first line battalion. The Imperial Service obligation refers to the fact that Territorials, under the terms of their enlistment were not obliged to serve overseas - they were a home defence force in principle. So, in this case the 7th Battalion evolved into the 1/7th & the 2/7th Battalions and very shortly after this a third line battalion was formed, the 3/7th. The 1/7th trained at Canterbury until departing for France on 8th March 1915. The 2/7th Bn formed at Bootle in Oct 1914 and began training at Blackpool. In February 1915 they moved to Canterbury to form part of the 171st Brigade, 57th (2nd West Lancs) Division. In July 1916 they moved to Tweseldown, Aldershot , in September to Woking and in February 1917 they were sent to France. They served in France for the rest of the war. I hope that helps. Regards, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianB Posted 20 April , 2005 Share Posted 20 April , 2005 Scottie, What a fascinating find. I'm sure we would all be interested in seeing a scan if possible. Given that all your chaps are named, I'd be interested if it includes Lt PW Lace - I'd quite like to know what he looked like ! thanks Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockney tone Posted 20 April , 2005 Author Share Posted 20 April , 2005 Ken, thank you for your reply, I have sent you an e-mail acknowledging the info which is really interesting. Julian, i will try to scan the picture in but i might have to wait for the brains of the family .(15 year old son) to help me. Sadly the name Lt Pace does not appear, i will post the gentlemens names on when my 'help' has finished his homework. regards to you both, Cheers, Scottie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockney tone Posted 20 April , 2005 Author Share Posted 20 April , 2005 Hopefully the picture is attached. Scottie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Lees Posted 20 April , 2005 Share Posted 20 April , 2005 Hopefully the picture is attached. Scottie. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sadly not. Bread & water for 'brains' for the rest of the week, methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockney tone Posted 21 April , 2005 Author Share Posted 21 April , 2005 Ken, sent a copy (bad copy) on an e-mail to you, did i manage to attach it to that/ regards, Scottie. (sorry, reading and writing not my strong point!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt York Posted 21 April , 2005 Share Posted 21 April , 2005 Scottie, Is there any chance of you putting the names of the men from the photo on the forum? My home town was a recruitment area for the 7th. Regards, Ronnie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Lees Posted 22 April , 2005 Share Posted 22 April , 2005 Ken, sent a copy (bad copy) on an e-mail to you, did i manage to attach it to that/ regards, Scottie. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Scottie, E-mail attachment received, thanks. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockney tone Posted 22 April , 2005 Author Share Posted 22 April , 2005 Ronnie (& 0thers) the names are; Sgt S Buckley Sgt J Bolton Sgt W Butler Sgt Drummer E Gilduff Arm Sgt R Bell Lc Sgt C E Johnson Sgt Cook A Tyrer Lc Sgt R Woods Lc Sgt W H Jones Sgt J Edwards Sgt F R Ellis Sgt E Westmorland Lc Sgt W F Murphy Lc Sgt H Baker Sgt C R Houghton Sgt R Cookson Sgt H G Willis Lc Sgt A Molyneaux Sgt T Nevanas Sgt F T Evans Sgt R S Crossley Sgt B Scarland Lc Sgt G G Wyther CQMS E Riley CQMS E Sharrock CQMS J Tomlins Sgt G Hennesey Sgt W Pennington Lc Sgt T G Jones Sgt W B Green CSM R Bolan Major C D Meyer RSM J Owen Lieut Coln J W Slater V.D. Capt & Adj G Bingham RQMS P Peart CSM W Barrie CSM W Reekie CSM W Hotchkiss Sgt A C Griffin Sgt H Todd on the back in pencil is the name 'Peart' and 4/6 which i assume was the price, which seems a bit dear! Several years ago I had a quick look through 'Soldiers Died' and found possible idents on Lance Sergeant William Murphy 305486 1st/8th Bat on the Thiepval memorial & Sgt William Jones 357073 1st/10th Bat on the Tyne Cot Memorial. Any info on any of the men listed would be gratfully recieved. regards, Scottie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt York Posted 23 April , 2005 Share Posted 23 April , 2005 Many thanks, Scottie. Cheers, Ronnie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbrydon Posted 23 April , 2005 Share Posted 23 April , 2005 I attach ( a not very good ) photo of the officers of the 1/ 7th Kings liverpools dated Christmas 1918. Of interest is the wide variety of uniforms and insignia being worn.No two officers appear to be wearing the same colour shirt and tie and there is a wide variety of cap and collar badges including a collar badge worn in the cap.Some of the officers service dress collar badges appear to have the bronze finish polished off.Some officers as late as December 1918 are still wearing cuff rank tunics Please let me know if you would like a better scan and I will e mail it to you Peter Brydon peter.brydon@btinternet.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockney tone Posted 23 April , 2005 Author Share Posted 23 April , 2005 Peter, would love to see a close up of your picture if you wouldnt mind dropping me an e-mail please, sadly I am still struggling to attach my picture but I am not giving up, Ken, tried to copy my picture in town today but the 'super dooper' scanner/copier in the shop was broken, Cheers, Scottie. a.scott252@btinternet.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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