Arne Vandendriessche Posted 8 January Share Posted 8 January (edited) Hello, In the attachment you see an aerial photo of a large camp with large sheds in Proven (31/07/1918). Trench map coordinates: 19.W.30.d.49.71 https://www.google.com/maps/place/50°54'12.7"N+2°38'42.1"E/@50.9035163,2.6432834,518m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d50.903514!4d2.645027?entry=ttu Could anyone tell me which regiment used the camp? And maybe the code name of that farm? Regards Arne Edited 8 January by Arne Vandendriessche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 8 January Share Posted 8 January From TrenchMapper https://www.westernfrontassociation.com/trenchmapper-public 19.W.30.d.49.71 Sheet: [Not recorded] Scale: 1:40,000 Edition: 17/12/1918 Secret Railway map Has that point near GRUBSHEM M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Bob Davies Posted 8 January Admin Share Posted 8 January From a look on trench maps courtesy of National Library Scotland it is off the range of maps that they have. Marked with a small blue circle is where it is from your google map position. Possibly a hospital? It is well back from the front. Regards, Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 8 January Share Posted 8 January Just now, Bob Davies said: Possibly a hospital? It is well back from the front. The map I found showed close to GRUBSHEM - so possibly a canteen/feeding area??? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Vandendriessche Posted 8 January Author Share Posted 8 January Thanks both Im 99% sure it is not a hospital, because there was a hospital verry close to it. It could be some sort of storage, or a canteen. Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 8 January Share Posted 8 January (edited) 19 minutes ago, Arne Vandendriessche said: Im 99% sure it is not a hospital, because there was a hospital verry close to it. Indeed BANDAGHEM and MENDINGHAM [both hospitals] were very near - that's why I think GRUBSHEM was a canteen or similar, potentially feeding the hospitals' staff. M Edit: Arne, 'Grub' is British slang for food. Edited 8 January by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Vandendriessche Posted 8 January Author Share Posted 8 January Thank you, i didn't know what Grub means, but now i do ;D . Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 8 January Share Posted 8 January 3 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Indeed BANDAGHEM and MENDINGHAM [both hospitals] were very near - that's why I think GRUBSHEM was a canteen or similar, potentially feeding the hospitals' staff. The same map I referred to also includes DOSINGHEM and STRAFFEHEM - So I think part of a local naming convention ... Bandaging 'em, Mending 'em, Dosing'em, Straffing 'em, ... Feeding 'em ['em being a short abbreviation of them] M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 8 January Admin Share Posted 8 January 10 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Indeed BANDAGHEM and MENDINGHAM [both hospitals] were very near - that's why I think GRUBSHEM was a canteen or similar, potentially feeding the hospitals' staff. M Edit: Arne, 'Grub' is British slang for food. As you imply all made up names along with Dosinghem so they are dosing them, bandaging and mending them and feeding them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Bob Davies Posted 8 January Admin Share Posted 8 January (edited) 52 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: The map I found showed close to GRUBSHEM - so possibly a canteen/feeding area??? M When I first read that I read Grubshed, then I thought no, it must be a village nearby. Not so, thanks for now explaining, brilliant logic. Yes the hospital is on a trench map just south of this grid and now a cemetery. Edit; Mendinghem Edited 8 January by Bob Davies to add a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 8 January Share Posted 8 January (edited) I can't confirm I have got the map reference explanation correct, but here is the map I found with all those super placenames [partly mimicking actual villages further west ending with HEM] Image thanks to WFA / TrenchMapper Tommies, you can't take 'em anywhere without them joking around. M Edited 8 January by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 9 January Share Posted 9 January Amazingly GRUBHEM does not have any other reference to date on GWF, apart from in your earlier thread, even though BANDAGEM, MENDINGHEM and DOSINGHEM do make several appearances. The opinion on your other thread was that GRUBHEM was a railhead. I still think food was involved I'm now wondering about STRAFFEHEM which appears nearby - an Ammunition railhead or dump? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Vandendriessche Posted 9 January Author Share Posted 9 January Thanks for all the information, Yes there was a munition depot at straffehem. The soldiers made it end on HEM to let the Germans think it is a village. Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 9 January Share Posted 9 January The Hems.. In TrenchMapper, either put 19.W.30.d.49.71 in as a map reference and change maps in the left panel or right click, choose Map ID Jump and use m_79_000002. Howard Name: Mont de Cats (Administrative) Sheet: [Not recorded] Scale: 1:40,000 Edition: 17/12/1918 Secret Railway map Id: m_79_000002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January I found a diary extract in WO95/4054/8 for the construction of Grubhem Railhead Siding & Straffehem Refilling Point starting 22/6/1917 and finished by 6/7/17. The map references for Grubhem given don't quite tally with the camp at W.30.d given in the OP. However, it lies on a map boundary. Is the camp at W.30.d something other than Grubhem? TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January (edited) The line from 19.W.30.a.0.6 to 27.E.6.a.5.1 I have labelled LIne 1. That is assuming the a in 19.W.30.a.0.6 is correct. The line from 27.F.8.b.8.1 to 27.F.2.d.1.8 is labelled as line 2. By the date of this map, Line 1 was not complete. Howard Edited 19 January by Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDWARD1 Posted 20 January Share Posted 20 January If you rotate the photo it is very similar to Proven at 27NE2 F7a,b, which also ties in with Tews post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Vandendriessche Posted 20 January Author Share Posted 20 January Thanks both, Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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