58 Div Mule Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 I attach a RPPC that I've had in my collection for some time. A Royal Marine Artilleryman with his wife/sister/fiancee. Any idea about the first medal. I think he has a 1914/14-15 Trio, but what's the first...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 (edited) Appears to me to be BWM/ ?/ Victory. That first ribbon does not appear to be a 1914-15 star to me. His Service record would reveal if Tom had indicated his surname! Edited 18 December , 2023 by RNCVR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 I think we have to remember that the image was probably taken with orthochromatic film, which does the following to colours: Red, Orange & Yellow go darker sometimes nearly black. Blue & Purple go lighter, sometimes nearly white. Green remains a mid-tone. In this image, Left is BWM, Right is the Victory Medal. Middle...A Star? This picture originally posted by Andrew Upton I think shows how colours appear for campaign medal ribbons: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sueburden Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 The woman appears to be wearing a wedding ring so possibly his wife. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TullochArd Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 (edited) Three medals. BWM, Mercantile Marine Medal and VM. Possibly scenario: prior medal earning service (BWM/Mercantile Marine medal) with Merchant/Fishing fleet before further medal earning service with RMA (BWM already qualified/VM). Rare but not unheard of. 4 x Overseas Service stripes and one GC stripe. Edited 18 December , 2023 by TullochArd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 1 hour ago, TullochArd said: Three medals. BWM, Mercantile Marine Medal and VM. Possibly scenario: prior medal earning service (BWM/Mercantile Marine medal) with Merchant/Fishing fleet before further medal earning service with RMA (BWM already qualified/VM). Rare but not unheard of. 4 x Overseas Service stripes and one GC stripe. You have it mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58 Div Mule Posted 18 December , 2023 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2023 My goodness, the Forum may well have done it again! I can’t tell you how long I’ve spent puzzling over this PC. RNCVR, Dai, Sue and Tulloch - thank you very much. I think you’ve cracked the medals and I’m now hopeful they’re a young married couple too. I hope they had a very long and happy life together? Seasons greetings and thanks to all. 58 DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 @58 Div Mule Well Tom obviously survived to get married & receive his medals. Unfortunate no surname so he could be researched, but I expect he saw no need to add it as everyeone he would have sent the RPPC to knew who he (& & possibly his new bride) were anyway. As an aside, they kind of look somewhat alike, I am wondering ifit might be his sister??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58 Div Mule Posted 18 December , 2023 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2023 @RNCVR you may well be right, there is a similarity around the eyes? I’m really chuffed with the identification of the medals (all credit to @TullochArd) An unusual group to the RMA I suspect. 58 DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 @58 Div Mule Yes, could be, their faces seem very similar to me, the mouths, eyes, noses, & just the oval construction of their faces. Lets get @FROGSMILE involved or @Dai Bach y Sowldiwr they are pretty good with faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RNCVR said: @58 Div Mule Yes, could be, their faces seem very similar to me, the mouths, eyes, noses, & just the oval construction of their faces. Lets get @FROGSMILE involved or @Dai Bach y Sowldiwr they are pretty good with faces. I don’t think that the man and woman are related by blood Bryan. Their facial features look too different. Edited 18 December , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 Well I thought they looked somewhat alike! But I am not great with faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 2 minutes ago, RNCVR said: Well I thought they looked somewhat alike! But I am not great with faces. Eye sockets, lips, jawlines and ears are all quite different to my eyes. For example her jawline is square, his is pointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 I think there are similarities. The distance between the lips and the tip of the chin is quite large for both, certainly above average. Although we can't see both of the lady's ears fully - the right ear is partly obscured by hair, but her left (visible ) ear is quite chunky and similar to the soldier's. The soldier has prominent naso-labal grooves either sde of his nose, and the lady also has similar skin creases. So, I'd say you can't exclude them beng related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 The last resort of the clueless (me) is an online facial recognition site. I'm not good at faces and it's late, but cropping faces and submitting will give a percentage similarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 December , 2023 Share Posted 18 December , 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, depaor01 said: The last resort of the clueless (me) is an online facial recognition site. I'm not good at faces and it's late, but cropping faces and submitting will give a percentage similarity. I’d be interested in what that reveals because as it stands and based upon on what I can visually analyse, I’d happily wager that they are not blood relations. Edited 18 December , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 19 December , 2023 Share Posted 19 December , 2023 This is the rather unkind results for the OP's photo; However, it does state it is primarily designed for entertainment purposes and casual use. Its results may not meet the stringent requirements of professional forensics or ancestry research. For that level of comparison one has to pay up. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 19 December , 2023 Share Posted 19 December , 2023 24 minutes ago, TEW said: This is the rather unkind results for the OP's photo; However, it does state it is primarily designed for entertainment purposes and casual use. Its results may not meet the stringent requirements of professional forensics or ancestry research. For that level of comparison one has to pay up. TEW Thank you TEW, even allowing for a margin of error I agree with the conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58 Div Mule Posted 19 December , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 December , 2023 Thanks to all for their contributions. I’m very pleased with the identification of the medals being worn. Rather a harsh result on the issue of facial recognition/family likeness! It’s a nice PC. 58 DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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