thedawnpatrol Posted 18 November , 2023 Share Posted 18 November , 2023 I have a single MSM named to LAC Frank Jefferys RAF the only info i have is , No. 16060 awarded for action in Limpfield, France …… anymore info would be greatly appreciated thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankie Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 His service records are online on Fold3 hope this helps. Cheers Tankie Name Frank Jeffrey Gender Male Age 25 Birth Date 1890 Service Date 3 Dec 1915 Service Number 16060 Mother Mary J. Next of Kin Mary J. Relation to Airman Mother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 13 hours ago, thedawnpatrol said: anymore info would be greatly appreciated Hope the attached images (courtesy of Find My Past) will assist you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 19 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2023 Thank you both, i can see there is mention of 34 squadron……is there anyway of finding a citation for his MSM ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankie Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 It will be highly unlikely to have a citation for the MSM, iv been through newspaper archives which has turned up a blank also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsk212 Posted 21 November , 2023 Share Posted 21 November , 2023 On 18/11/2023 at 23:07, thedawnpatrol said: No. 16060 awarded for action in Limpfield, France …… Hi It was awarded for France and his home was Limpsfield in Surrey Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive ex RAF plumber Posted 17 January Share Posted 17 January On 19/11/2023 at 13:37, thedawnpatrol said: Thank you both, i can see there is mention of 34 squadron……is there anyway of finding a citation for his MSM ? Hi, Did he serve on 34 Squadron throughout the war? As 34 squadron went to the Italian Front January 1917 and remained there until May 1919 and disbandment in the UK September 1919. I also have an MSM for a Sgt Mech T. W. Skaife 34 Squadron (LG January 1919) on his service record there it mentions Italy for admittance to hospital but also states 'France from 8-7-16 to 26-12-18.. With his medals was a note from his son saying 'He was awarded his MSM for assisting the inventor of the of the mechanism to synchronise the shooting of a gun through the an aeroplane propellor whilst working in Italy' could your man have been involved in this as well? Hope this information is of some use to you but like yourself I cannot find any official citation. Kind Regards Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January (edited) On 17/01/2024 at 17:22, Clive ex RAF plumber said: 'He was awarded his MSM for assisting the inventor of the of the mechanism to synchronise the shooting of a gun through the an aeroplane propellor whilst working in Italy' "the C.C. Synchronizer, named after its inventors, Munitions Officer Major Colley and Romanian inventor George Constantinescu. Based on Constantinescu’s work on wave propagation through fluids, the C.C. Synchronizer used hydraulic oil to transmit sound pulses from the engine to the guns. Not only was the system universally adaptable to any engine and aircraft type, it proved far more reliable and easily adjustable than all other systems, and starting in November 1917 became the standard for all British fighter aircraft. Though the Germans captured many examples of the C.C. gear, they were never able to reverse-engineer it as they erroneously assumed it to be a standard hydraulic system." FROM: https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2020/08/how-did-wwi-pilots-shoot-through-their-aircraft-propeller/ See also: https://europecentenary.eu/constantinescu-the-romanian-engineer-behind-allied-air-superiority-in-the-first-world-war/ "Major Colley, the Chief Experimental Officer and Artillery Adviser at the War Office Munitions Invention Department". Frank Jeffreys' MSM 3rd June 1919 as Jeffreys: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31378/supplement/7037 for 'FRANCE'. Edited 19 January by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive ex RAF plumber Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January 1 hour ago, Ivor Anderson said: "the C.C. Synchronizer, named after its inventors, Munitions Officer Major Colley and Romanian inventor George Constantinescu. Based on Constantinescu’s work on wave propagation through fluids, the C.C. Synchronizer used hydraulic oil to transmit sound pulses from the engine to the guns. Not only was the system universally adaptable to any engine and aircraft type, it proved far more reliable and easily adjustable than all other systems, and starting in November 1917 became the standard for all British fighter aircraft. Though the Germans captured many examples of the C.C. gear, they were never able to reverse-engineer it as they erroneously assumed it to be a standard hydraulic system." FROM: https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2020/08/how-did-wwi-pilots-shoot-through-their-aircraft-propeller/ See also: https://europecentenary.eu/constantinescu-the-romanian-engineer-behind-allied-air-superiority-in-the-first-world-war/ "Major Colley, the Chief Experimental Officer and Artillery Adviser at the War Office Munitions Invention Department". Frank Jeffreys' MSM 3rd June 1919 as Jeffreys: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31378/supplement/7037 for 'FRANCE'. Hi Ivor, Thanks for the very interesting information on the C.C. Synchronizer did the C.C. stand for Colley and Constantinescu? The point I was making with regards Sgt Mech Skaife's service record is that his service record only states service in 'France and Belgium' no mention of Italy although that's where 34 Squadron served from January 1917 and where we know he served, could the reference to France on LAC Jeffery's MSM LG entry be an error? Hence the question how long did he serve within the ranks of 34 Squadron. Regards Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January (edited) 10 hours ago, Clive ex RAF plumber said: the C.C. Synchronizer did the C.C. stand for Colley and Constantinescu Constantinescu-Colley I think. I cannot comment on the service record as it is not very clear to me. Apparently 34th Squadron moved to Italy in 1917: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._34_Squadron_RAF It is unlikely that 'FRANCE' re MSM is an error. Army MSMs have a medal card listing the unit, but I cannot see one for him as RAF. Most MSMs mentioned in WDs have no citation, only name, rank & number. So, it is unlikely we will find the reason it was awarded. Edited 20 January by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 25 January Author Share Posted 25 January thank you both for your interesting reply's and help on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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