NR72 Posted 9 November , 2023 Share Posted 9 November , 2023 Trying to track service cert of RNR sailor Stoker G Moffat 2067 S No trace on LoTFWW or on national archives Any ideas would be appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner 87 Posted 9 November , 2023 Share Posted 9 November , 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, NR72 said: Trying to track service cert of RNR sailor Stoker G Moffat 2067 S No trace on LoTFWW or on national archives Any ideas would be appreciated HI NR72 Is this what you are looking for? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8562182 regards Gunner Edited 9 November , 2023 by Gunner 87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 9 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 9 November , 2023 32 minutes ago, Gunner 87 said: HI NR72 Is this what you are looking for? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8562182 regards Gunner No sadly not on his 1914 15 star it's definitely 2067 S not T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 10 November , 2023 Share Posted 10 November , 2023 (edited) @horatio2 will be able to confirm, but as far as I can see, your man G. Moffat joined the RNR in Nov. 1904 and as a Stoker was given a ‘s’ suffix. After having completed his initial 5 years RNR term and re-enrolling for a second term, his service number suffix would have shifted to ‘t’. Therefore the link that @NR72 was given is correct. MB Edited 10 November , 2023 by KizmeRD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 November , 2023 Share Posted 10 November , 2023 (edited) @KizmeRD is on the right track. As can be seen from the entry on the second page of the RNR record, he was first entered in 1904 as a Fireman RNR with Official No. 8353.P, served his 5-year first term and was then transferred to Stoker RNR, 2067.T for his second term. (Stokers RNR date from 1906.) Few Fireman P records survive. They are at TNA under BT 164/18 covering entries in 1895-6. MOFFAT's 'P' record is not there. The RNR medal roll showas a 1914-15 Star trio was claimed by and issued to his widow. The medals are noted as 2067.T, the number under which he served in WW1. It being wartime mobilisation, he was not formally transferred to a third 5-year term (with a 'U' number) in November 1914. Edited 10 November , 2023 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 10 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 10 November , 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, horatio2 said: @KizmeRD is on the right track. As can be seen from the entry on the second page of the RNR record, he was first entered in 1904 as a Fireman RNR with Official No. 8353.P, served his 5-year first term and was then transferred to Stoker RNR, 2067.T for his second term. (Stokers RNR date from 1906.) Few Fireman P records survive. They are at TNA under BT 164/18 covering entries in 1895-6. MOFFAT's 'P' record is not there. The RNR medal roll showas a 1914-15 Star trio was claimed by and issued to his widow. The medals are noted as 2067.T, the number under which he served in WW1. It being wartime mobilisation, he was not formally transferred to a third 5-year term (with a 'U' number) in November 1914. Thank you , just wanted to know where he was to get his star. There is no trace of him being a casualty either , very odd Edited 10 November , 2023 by NR72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 November , 2023 Share Posted 10 November , 2023 37 minutes ago, NR72 said: There is no trace of him being a casualty either , very odd He was not a casualty but died in 1923, after being discharged (Imvalided) fromthe RNR in 1915. His medal roll entry of "Index Casualty (I.C.) 3076/1923" tallies with the report from his widow that he "...died 22.5.23" noted on his record card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 10 November , 2023 Share Posted 10 November , 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, horatio2 said: He was not a casualty but died in 1923, after being discharged (Imvalided) fromthe RNR in 1915. At WFA/Fold3 there are a number of pension records under 2067 Disability: Discharged 24.8.15 Awarded 40/- pw from 27.11.19 to 18/4/21 [this was the 100% disability rate for a pension Class V seaman/Stoker. Disability appears to have been Pulmonary tuberculosis and 100% rate paid into 1923 [the 100% rate was intended to try and stop a man having to go out to work and thereby potentially spread the disease wider in the population] - a wife and two children are also shown Dependant's: His widow, Hannah Bella MOFFAT, made a claim for herself and un-named children on his death 22.5.23 [The MoP have him recorded as RND on this claim] M Edited 10 November , 2023 by Matlock1418 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 10 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 10 November , 2023 6 hours ago, Matlock1418 said: At WFA/Fold3 there are a number of pension records under 2067 Disability: Discharged 24.8.15 Awarded 40/- pw from 27.11.19 to 18/4/21 [this was the 100% disability rate for a pension Class V seaman/Stoker. Disability appears to have been Pulmonary tuberculosis and 100% rate paid into 1923 [the 100% rate was intended to try and stop a man having to go out to work and thereby potentially spread the disease wider in the population] - a wife and two children are also shown Dependant's: His widow, Hannah Bella MOFFAT, made a claim for herself and un-named children on his death 22.5.23 [The MoP have him recorded as RND on this claim] M No record of him in RND either , not named on medal roll for Antwerp .. this is very odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 November , 2023 Share Posted 10 November , 2023 Not odd at all. RND is a red herring. He was not awarded the 1914 Star (RND at Antwerp) because he was serving in HMS ARGONAUT from early August 1914 until July 1915 when he was discharged to Devonport (VIVID II) for invaliding, as shown on his RNR record card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 10 November , 2023 Share Posted 10 November , 2023 44 minutes ago, horatio2 said: Not odd at all. RND is a red herring. He was not awarded the 1914 Star (RND at Antwerp) because he was serving in HMS ARGONAUT from early August 1914 until July 1915 when he was discharged to Devonport (VIVID II) for invaliding, as shown on his RNR record card. I'm not at all surprised you think this is a red-herring. It looked odd given the earlier posts in this thread and his disability pension - perhaps his widow was a bit confused, and/ or the MoP was after his death. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 10 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 10 November , 2023 51 minutes ago, horatio2 said: Not odd at all. RND is a red herring. He was not awarded the 1914 Star (RND at Antwerp) because he was serving in HMS ARGONAUT from early August 1914 until July 1915 when he was discharged to Devonport (VIVID II) for invaliding, as shown on his RNR record card. It is a bit odd going on the information received ! If his medal roll is noted as 2067 T , then why is his medal S ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 November , 2023 Share Posted 10 November , 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NR72 said: f his medal roll is noted as 2067 T , then why is his medal S ? The technical term is a 'cock-up' or 'administrative error'. 2067.S RNR was Patrick HUGHES who was enrolled in 1914 = https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8538283 Edited 10 November , 2023 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 10 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 10 November , 2023 Thanks all ...mystery solved ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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