Unknown Collar Badge

[Romagne1918]

Can anyone help me ID this WWI officer's collar badge? thanks

[tankengine888]

I recognise he's a Territorial ('T') Officer with cuff rank probably, however I am unsure of his regiment

Zidane

[SteveE]

A Territorial indeed, I’ll go as far as to suggest it’s the 9th (Cyclist) Battalion Hampshire Regiment.

Steve

[FROGSMILE]

1 hour ago, SteveE said:

A Territorial indeed, I’ll go as far as to suggest it’s the 9th (Cyclist) Battalion Hampshire Regiment.

Steve

I believe so too.  It’s a very rare photo to see and even rarer to find surviving officers collar badges for that unit, whose first line battalion was in Russia at the end of the war.

Edited 23 September , 2023 by FROGSMILE

[Romagne1918]

Thank you very much gentlemen.

[Romagne1918]

There is a very faint name on back, Sir William Parker.

[PRC]

1 hour ago, Romagne1918 said:

here is a very faint name on back, Sir William Parker.

The November 1918 British Army Monthly list has a Captain Sir W.L. Parker (Baronet) serving with the 1/9th (Cyclist) Battalion, Hampshire Regiment, and with seniority from the 1st June 1916. (Column 1241e) https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/123101937

The National Archive catalogue shows surviving personal files for a Captain William Lorezo Parker, Hampshire Regiment. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C722352

Sir William Lorenzo Parker (1889-1971) apparently won a Silver Medal for the GB in rowing at the 1912 Stockholm Olympics.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Parker,_3rd_Baronet

His ID card picture from those games is available on an Olympics related website which also states he attended Eton. https://www.olympedia.org/athletes/37423

I'm not finding any additional pictures of him in the Eton College archive, but in the "List of Etonians who fought in the great war, 1914-1919" he is shown on page 195 as having served with the Hampshire Regiment in Siberia.

Image courtesy archive org https://archive.org/details/listofetonianswh00eton/page/194/mode/2up?q=Parker

Not entirely sure the rower from Stockholm and this officer are one and the same, but here are the two pictures side by side.

No new IP is claimed for the above, and all image rights, (if any), remain with the current owners.

Cheers,
Peter

 

Edited 23 September , 2023 by PRC
Typos

[FROGSMILE]

6 minutes ago, PRC said:

The November 1918 British Army Monthly list has a Captain Sir W.L. Parker (Baronet) serving with the 1/9th (Cyclist) Battalion, Hampshire Regiment, and with seniority from the 1st June 1916. (Column 1241e) https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/123101937

The National Archive catalogue shows surviving personal files for a Captain William Lorezo Parker, Hampshire Regiment. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C722352

Sir William Lorenzo Parker (1889-1971) apparently won a Silver Medal for the GB in rowing at the 1912 Stockholm Olympics.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Parker,_3rd_Baronet

His ID card picture from those games is available on an Olympics related website which also states he attended Eton. https://www.olympedia.org/athletes/37423

I'm not finding any additional pictures of him in the Eton College archive, but in the "List of Etonians who fought in the great war, 1914-1919" he is shown on page 195 as having served with the Hampshire Regiment in Siberia.

Image courtesy archive org https://archive.org/details/listofetonianswh00eton/page/194/mode/2up?q=Parker

Not entirely sure the rower from Stockholm and this officer are one and the same, but here are the two pictures side by side.

No new IP is claimed for the above, and all image rights, (if any), remain with the current owners.

Cheers,
Peter

 

I think they’re the same man Peter, albeit with the difference of youth alongside early maturity. 👍

[PRC]

2 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:

I think they’re the same man Peter, albeit with the difference of youth alongside early maturity. 👍

I can certainly see elements in common and any proportion discrepancy could a combination of age, head positioning and the circumstances inwhich the two pictures are being taken.

What was stopping me from being more positive was to my mind the two images are likely to be less than a decade apart. If Sir William Lorenzo Parker served in Siberia then he would have been entitled to wear the British War Medal at a mimimum - but no ribbon on display on the picture of the officer posted by @Romagne1918 . Of course as an officer Sir William had to claim his medals, and checking the Medal Index Card records, he made the claim in February 1922. It looks like his claim for a Territorial Force War Medal was turned down. Emblems were issued, so there is a Mention in Despatches lurking somewhere.

Image courtesy Ancestry.

I think if I could have found another known picture of William Lorenzo Parker from this stage of his life it might be possible to up the certainty quotient for me, but I could simply be being over-cautious

Cheers,
Peter

[GWF1967]

1 hour ago, PRC said:

Not entirely sure the rower from Stockholm and this officer are one and the same, but here are the two pictures side by side.

No new IP is claimed for the above, and all image rights, (if any), remain with the current owners.

Cheers,
Peter

 

I see them as two views of the same man. 

[Romagne1918]

Thank you very much everyone.