TD60 Posted 11 April , 2005 Share Posted 11 April , 2005 Hello I would like to identify more precisely the rank of that soldier: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tanneguy.desplanqu...lery%20rang.htm The rank indicated is ART CER WO II . WO CL II is clear => Warrant officer class 2, but ART CER ? ARTILLERY CERTIFIED ? in this case seems close to Master Gunner rank. The CWGC database indicates following: Name: MAHONY, BERNARD Initials: B Nationality: Australian Rank: Leading Fireman Regiment: Australian Field Artillery Unit Text: 13th Bde. Age: 37 Date of Death: 07/08/1917 Service No: 4186 Additional information: Son of Michael and Henrietta Mahony. Native of Armidale, New South Wales. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: VIII. D. 5. Cemetery: VLAMERTINGHE NEW MILITARY CEMETERY Leading Fireman also not a current title ! does anybody know some details about this rank ART. CER. ? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 11 April , 2005 Share Posted 11 April , 2005 The rank is 'Artificer' as given in the original CWGC register for that cemetery. The 'fireman' bit is an error which I shall report for correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD60 Posted 12 April , 2005 Author Share Posted 12 April , 2005 The rank is 'Artificer' as given in the original CWGC register for that cemetery. The 'fireman' bit is an error which I shall report for correction. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Many thanks. But Artificier is still an uncommon rank . I do not see it in the usual ranks list Do you have some details about it ? Gunner, Bombardier then Artificier ? is it orrect ? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 12 April , 2005 Share Posted 12 April , 2005 CWGC corrected the rank to Artificer (W.O.II) this morning but it will not show up on the internet until the next update. Artificer is uncommon but it does exist in army ranks (though more commonly found in the navy). I believe it is a 'trade' rather than a rank. An artificer is essentially a mechanic. The dictionary definition is... 1) A skilled worker; a craftsperson. 2) One that contrives, devises, or constructs something: “The labyrinth . . . was built by Daedalus, a most skillful artificer” (Thomas Bulfinch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 12 April , 2005 Share Posted 12 April , 2005 Will the gravestone be corrected? Presumably they missed out the IFI? Phil B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 12 April , 2005 Share Posted 12 April , 2005 The stone will be amended. Out of interest.... There are 68 ranks containing the word 'artificer' in CWGC's database Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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