Lexus Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 Hi, I have found an ancestor whose RN Service record is a little confusing. John Mildon enlisted in the RN on the 6th Apr 1888, Service No 145115 with his CS starting on the 17th Oct 1890. He then signed on from the 17th of Oct 1902 - "To comp Vol - -" See attached copy of his service record. However his service record appears to show him being pensioned on the 24th of Oct 1912. There is a 1911 Census record for a John Mildon that puts him aboard the Gloucester from the 4th of Oct 1910 to the 30th of Aug 1912 that ties in with his service record. On the same Service Record he then joins the R?R at Devonport, A3659, on the 27th Oct 1912 with a Service No 145137. He is awarded a Tx medal on the 5th of Feb 1907. Also on his service record is a London Gazette entry dated the 31st Mar 1916 which shows him awarded the DSM. There is a PIC number, 169007 dated the 17th of Mar 1919, a Traced War Gratuity By No 11entry dated the 12th of August 1919 and a Paid War Gratuity entry dated the 4th of Dec 1919. I did try both service numbers in FMP without luck. Any clarification will be very much appreciated. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 (edited) I’m sure that @horatio2 will be able to provide a more detailed explanation of his RN career than me, however the basics are that he joined as a Boy Seaman in 1888 and in 1890 on reaching eighteen years of age was signed on for 12 years Continuous Service, after which he extended his time for an additional ten years (as men serving a full 22 years qualified for a naval pension). In 1912 he was retired from active service and transferred into the Royal Fleet Reserve (RFR). When the navy was mobilised in 1914, he was recalled and served again during WW1. The medal that he was awarded in 1907 was the Royal Navy Long Service and Good Conduct Medal. His DSM was awarded ..... in recognition of his services in the Patrol Cruisers, under the command of Rear-Admiral Sir Dudley R. S. De Chair, K.C.B., M.V.O., during the period ending the 31st December, 1915 (awarded whilst he was Chief Bosun’s Mate aboard HMS Cedric, 10th Cruiser Squadron, serving as a Chief Petty Officer). MB Edited 5 August , 2023 by KizmeRD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 His ADM 188 is continued at ON 145137, this part would give his 1WW service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexus Posted 5 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2023 Thank you for that, I don't think I would have found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 @Lexus Are you aware he died 21 Jan 1961 from Cerebral Arteriosclerosis - 'Sig(nal?) from RNH Plymouth 2108502'. He must have been hospitalized there when he died. Noted at bottom of his ADM 188 in 'Remarks' section. John Mildon's Edward VII RN LS medal waslikley awarded when he was serving on HMS Calypso. His rates (specialties) thru his career were - Seaman Gunner 1st cl, Seaman Gunner Torpedo (additionally trained in Torpedos), Capt of Gun, & Seaman Torpedoman. Be interested in viewing the continuation of his ADM 188 if you might post it pls. & do you have his medal group? 1WW trio+ RN LS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexus Posted 5 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2023 Purely as a matter of interest,,, paging forward from record 145115 John Mildon he appears on, Service Records, 145115 & 145137 145126 & 145115 - crossed out 145132 & 145115 - crossed out 145137 & 145115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 PS - Mildon's Conduct was VG(Very Good) thru his career, no disciplinary problems, no offences, & no cell time. He must have been a model VR/Edwardian sailor during his career Navy life obviously agreed with him! Best w....Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 PS (again) - MGR means Medal & Gratuity Recommended. This would have been for the award of his RN LS medal, he rec'd a gratuity (payment) for his medal, usually around 5 pounds per year for the balance of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexus Posted 5 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2023 6 minutes ago, RNCVR said: @Lexus Are you aware he died 21 Jan 1961 from Cerebral Arteriosclerosis - 'Sig(nal?) from RNH Plymouth 2108502'. He must have been hospitalized there when he died. Noted at bottom of his ADM 188 in 'Remarks' section. John Mildon's Edward VII RN LS medal waslikley awarded when he was serving on HMS Calypso. His rates (specialties) thru his career were - Seaman Gunner 1st cl, Seaman Gunner Torpedo (additionally trained in Torpedos), Capt of Gun, & Seaman Torpedoman. Be interested in viewing the continuation of his ADM 188 if you might post it pls. & do you have his medal group? 1WW trio+ RN LS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexus Posted 5 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2023 Hi Bryan, Again, thanks for all of that info. In answer to your question, I have not yet found his medal records, a copy of the link if you have it would be appreciated. Here are copies of all 4 service records that contain his details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, RNCVR said: 2108502 THis is a date-time-group (DTG) and reads 210850 Z - the date (21st) and time (0850) of the signal notifying his death Edited 5 August , 2023 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 13 minutes ago, horatio2 said: THis reads 210850 Z - the date (21st) and time (0850) of the signal notifying his death Looked like a 2 to me but agree with yr assesment @horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 (edited) @Lexus Appears as if Mildon served in AMC's during 1WW - Armed Merchant Cruisers - Cedric & City of London. I am unable to read the last two entries altho the last one is deffo GANGES - (Blackburn/horn? possibly) @horatio2 might have better eyesight than I! Edited 5 August , 2023 by RNCVR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexus Posted 5 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2023 His service record states his death as the 21st Jan 1961, his Probate record has him passing on the 2nd Jan 1961, looks like somebody missed a digit, too close to be anybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, RNCVR said: Mildon's Conduct was VG(Very Good) thru his career, no disciplinary problems, no offences, & no cell time. Almost, but not quite. On 31 December 19011891 he was only essessed as GOOD Character. It was that early break in his VG conduct that delayed his LS & GC Medal to 1907, otherwise he would have completed the necessary 15 Years' VG in 1905. Edit 1891 vice 1901. Edited 5 August , 2023 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 Interesting in that he came back in (15 '14) as a PO1 - I expect as he had not completed his year as an A(Acting) CPO before he was pensioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 2 minutes ago, horatio2 said: Almost, but not quite. On 31 December 1901 he was only essessed as GOOD Character. It was that early break in his VG conduct that delayed his LS & GC Medal to 1907, otherwise he would have completed the necessary 15 Years' VG in 1905. Yes, see I missed that, however -- 31.12.91 @horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexus Posted 5 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2023 3 minutes ago, horatio2 said: Almost, but not quite. On 31 December 1901 he was only essessed as GOOD Character. It was that early break in his VG conduct that delayed his LS & GC Medal to 1907, otherwise he would have completed the necessary 15 Years' VG in 1905. I thought I was the only one with fat fingers - you mean 1891:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 Mildon's rate insignia for the time he was a SGT. The only VR example I have of this very rare badge - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 12 minutes ago, RNCVR said: (Blackburn/horn? possibly Definitely HMS BLACKBURN (ex-BURNHAM), twin-screw minesweeper, later Hunt or Aberdare-class, Adty No. 3460, T.N8(10.18), T.N5 (11.19). Launched 13.8.18 Bow McLachlan. 800 tons, 231(oa), 220(pp)x28x7ft. TE 2200ihp, 16kts. Armament: 1-4in, 1-12pdr AA. Sold 17.10.22 Fryer. First based on HMS GUNNER (Granton) from 24 Oct 1918 and then transferred down to HM GANGES (Harwich) 20 Nov 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 @Lexus Hi Bryan, Again, thanks for all of that info. In answer to your question, I have not yet found his medal records, a copy of the link if you have it would be appreciated. His 1WW medals would be in ADM 171. Mildon would have qualified for 1914-15 star, British War & Victory medals. There is no roll for the VR & EVIIR RN LS medal. It does not appear as if he qualified for any VR or ER campaign medals during his career, he spent a fair amount of time on shore bases - Cambridge, Defiance (Gunnery/Torpedo schools) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 5 August , 2023 Share Posted 5 August , 2023 A snapshot of the ADM 171/110 medal roll entry courtesy TNA. WW1 trio claimed by him and issued post-war.:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexus Posted 5 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2023 7 minutes ago, horatio2 said: A snapshot of the ADM 171/110 medal roll entry courtesy TNA. WW1 trio claimed by him and issued post-war.:- Many thanks, curious to know why nothing comes up in Ancestry or FMP, they are normally pretty reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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