dawnyowl Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 Hello, help needed in interpreting what "ru or ry for " written in pencil above my gt gt aunts name Florence. She was born in 1896. the children were split up after mother died. I can't find any thing about where she was after 1911. Her father william morrison, 14th hampshire regt died in sept 1916 battle of hamel. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 I thought that perhaps a Pension card may help but it confuses even more. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnyowl Posted 19 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2023 Yes, I have seen 2. His widow remarried a Mr Gardner. And the other has all his children and stepson. People always though the one son was called Albert Florence. I have not been able to see the originals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 Here is what I found George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 And, also courtesy of Fold3, George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnyowl Posted 19 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2023 William had severL children from his first marriage it looks Florence and Norman have been left of the pension. Maybe she was to old being born in 1896. Hie new wife Beatrice had a son Albert. That confirms he was illegitimate and the 2 young children Leonard and Kathleen are william morrison s with Beatrice. That's excellent. So Florence is not on a pension record but on the gratuity payments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 It looks like it but doesn't help with interpreting that odd short hand phrase for you! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnyowl Posted 19 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2023 I know, this is why I thought Florence was on the pension record, but it was a spelling mistake then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnyowl Posted 19 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2023 It doesn't really make sense as to howthe war gratuity was divided up. He had other blood related children. It does say Florence doesn't it, its not step son horace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 You'll need to update your Ancestry tree as it is Leonard Percy b 1914 and Hilda Kathleen b 1915 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 Am I correct in thinking that Florence was born in Colomba(sic) Sri Lanka? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 Florence's brother... courtesy Fold3 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnyowl Posted 19 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2023 That's Beatrice's stepson, william arthur fell overboard 1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnyowl Posted 19 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2023 That's great I have got more information than I started with. I have looked at following pages and its usually the relationship to the deceased. If it was her married name it would be Mrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierssc Posted 21 May , 2023 Share Posted 21 May , 2023 On 19/05/2023 at 08:34, George Rayner said: Here is what I found George Surely that's Albert Horace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 21 May , 2023 Share Posted 21 May , 2023 Yes it does George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnyowl Posted 21 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 21 May , 2023 I thought that before, but what is the word above, it does look like for or son. and why share the gratuity to his stepson. Yet it does mention Leonard who is his real son. He does have another daughter Florence. Who was in the francis owennhomme cheltenham 1911 age 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierssc Posted 21 May , 2023 Share Posted 21 May , 2023 Isn't the mystery abbreviation "ref for". Refused for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnyowl Posted 21 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 21 May , 2023 Yes I agree it's got to be something like that. Maybe they couldn't trace her. As I said before the girls rosaand Florence were split up after their mom died. Father remarried had his sons and then some more with Beatrice, then left for the war. I canctrace rosalie my gt gt fran but Florence dissappears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 23 May , 2023 Share Posted 23 May , 2023 I thought it was Ry for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 23 May , 2023 Share Posted 23 May , 2023 Sorry - thought this was dealt with. Most likely to be "Ry" for - ie "Residuary for", in other words the balance was to go to Florence. Probably simply put there to explain that it was being held pending confirmation of her whereabouts and to allow the other payments to go out. Presumably there isn't a second record of soldiers effects record either showing it being paid out or being redistributed amongt the other beneficiaries? Cheers, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnyowl Posted 23 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 23 May , 2023 That's a good explanation, there is no record of her after 1911. She would have been 15. So possibly she married and left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 23 May , 2023 Share Posted 23 May , 2023 On 19/05/2023 at 07:44, dawnyowl said: too old being born in 1896. I think that is the likely correct interpretation = A child normally only got a pension allowance until they reached 16 [only under exceptional circumstances of disability or special educational needs might it it occasionally be extended to 21 - but that wasn't the usual case] M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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