RND - Which Map are they using ?

[NR72]

Hi All,

Looking at 1st Brigade RND  war diary and in the first column they have "Place" and usually is a map square and some numbers (as attached picture) 

My question which map are they using ?, all my Gallipoli maps do not have grid squares 

Thanks in advance 

[horatio2]

This would appear to be the1:40,000 map "Reproduced by Survey Dept. Egypt, from a map supplied by the War Office. (683). The WFA/IWMW "Mapping the Front - Gallipoli" has specimens. The chart 'snip' below is courtesy WFA/IWM. Square 224. M is filled by the initial '2' of '224'

 

[tootrock]

Is it possible to download that diary from the NA, and if so what is its reference/catalogue number.

Martin

[horatio2]

Chasseaud and Doyle in their "Grasping Gallipoli (p.113) state " "This was the two-sheet, one-inch map of Gallipoli which, during March, was enlarged to 40,000 and produced by the Survey of Egypt. The Royal Naval and 29th Divisions were equipped with the one-inch map just two days before leaving England."

The ANZACs and RND were issued with the squared 40,000 maps in Egypt in ear;ly April 1915.

Edited 13 May , 2023 by horatio2

[NR72]

1 hour ago, tootrock said:

Is it possible to download that diary from the NA, and if so what is its reference/catalogue number.

Martin

Hi Martin,  they are on Ancestry 

1 hour ago, horatio2 said:

Chasseaud and Doyle in their "Grasping Gallipoli (p.113) state " "This was the two-sheet, one-inch map of Gallipoli which, during March, was enlarged to 40,000 and produced by the Survey of Egypt. The Royal Naval and 29th Divisions were equipped with the one-inch map just two days before leaving England."

The ANZACs and RND were issued with the squared 40,000 maps in Egypt in ear;ly April 1915.

Thank you , do you know where you can get a high resolution copy ??

[NR72]

1 hour ago, horatio2 said:

This would appear to be the1:40,000 map "Reproduced by Survey Dept. Egypt, from a map supplied by the War Office. (683). The WFA/IWMW "Mapping the Front - Gallipoli" has specimens. The chart 'snip' below is courtesy WFA/IWM. Square 224. M is filled by the initial '2' of '224'

 

How do you work out which letter is which square ??

[horatio2]

Thus is shown in an example square elsewhere on the map. - top row =ABCDF;   2nd row = GHIJK; middle row = LMNOP;  4th row = QRSTU; VWXYZ = bottom row. with in each square are three rows of three 'dots': these are numbered sequentially 1 to 9.

 

[NR72]

15 minutes ago, horatio2 said:

Thus is shown in an example square elsewhere on the map. - top row =ABCDF;   2nd row = GHIJK; middle row = LMNOP;  4th row = QRSTU; VWXYZ = bottom row. with in each square are three rows of three 'dots': these are numbered sequentially 1 to 9.

 

Oh ok so not on the image you attached? , is this full map available to buy , download anywhere ? 

[horatio2]

On the WFA/IWM 40,000 map shown, the 'index' squares, showing lettering and dots, are 208 (bottom-right of map) and 278 (top-left of map).

As previously noted, the WFA/IWM "Gallipoli mapping 1914-1918" was (is still??) sold as a DVD.   www.westernfrontassociation.com   may help.

Edited 13 May , 2023 by horatio2

[WhiteStarLine]

Hi, there are around 70 georeferenced maps and aerial photos of this area on The Western Front Association's TrenchMapper.  All free* to browse and use the opacity slider to see the modern landscape underneath.  Anyone can add a map to the Shopping Cart and purchase a high resolution copy for 4 UK pounds per map.  * members get free downloads and higher resolution map views.

To get to this particular map quickly, open TrenchMapper and right click over the map.  Select Gallipoli, then either go to Z Beach and select the map you want from the dropdown.  This can be a bit painful so a quicker way is, once you are in the Gallipoli sector, right click over the map, select Map Id Jump and paste in m_021625.  This should open the map below:

 

[NR72]

2 hours ago, WhiteStarLine said:

Hi, there are around 70 georeferenced maps and aerial photos of this area on The Western Front Association's TrenchMapper.  All free* to browse and use the opacity slider to see the modern landscape underneath.  Anyone can add a map to the Shopping Cart and purchase a high resolution copy for 4 UK pounds per map.  * members get free downloads and higher resolution map views.

To get to this particular map quickly, open TrenchMapper and right click over the map.  Select Gallipoli, then either go to Z Beach and select the map you want from the dropdown.  This can be a bit painful so a quicker way is, once you are in the Gallipoli sector, right click over the map, select Map Id Jump and paste in m_021625.  This should open the map below:

 

Thank you 

[tootrock]

13 hours ago, NR72 said:

Hi Martin,  they are on Ancestry 

Thanks for that!

Martin

[Howard]

22 hours ago, horatio2 said:

On the WFA/IWM 40,000 map shown, the 'index' squares, showing lettering and dots, are 208 (bottom-right of map) and 278 (top-left of map).

As previously noted, the WFA/IWM "Gallipoli mapping 1914-1918" was (is still??) sold as a DVD.   www.westernfrontassociation.com   may help.

A note of cartographic caution. The allied side used a range of maps in Gallipoli, many with different and incompatible grids. Have a look at TrenchMapper and swap between maps, you can see what I mean. To be sure you have the right place with a map reference that looks right, you will need some corroboration, a trench name, place name etc.

Howard

[Rockturner]

NR72,

Hamilton's Force Order No.1 for the 25 April Landing references the War Office Map Sari Bair.

Within the Orders and Instructions for Anzac the footnotes  state that the map co-ordinates refer to the 1/40,000 Map in use at the time.

This is the map horatio 2 posted. Identifying features on this map are almost non existent so you my need to rely on the trench mapper to pin point exact positions.

However, I believe you are looking at the 400 Plateau area. Parker won his VC for his actions around Wire Gully.

[NR72]

34 minutes ago, Rockturner said:

NR72,

Hamilton's Force Order No.1 for the 25 April Landing references the War Office Map Sari Bair.

Within the Orders and Instructions for Anzac the footnotes  state that the map co-ordinates refer to the 1/40,000 Map in use at the time.

This is the map horatio 2 posted. Identifying features on this map are almost non existent so you my need to rely on the trench mapper to pin point exact positions.

However, I believe you are looking at the 400 Plateau area. Parker won his VC for his actions around Wire Gully.

Thank you , I have this Map