Request for help with illustration for my TF badge book

[poona guard]

Below is a list of images I would like to include in the book but don't have. Any help will be acknowledged in the book. Photos of them in use on tunic or helmet or on the pagri or of just of the badge itself:

Metal T/RB;

Guernsey LI cloth badge (not title);

T/KENT metal title;

T/HEREFORD title, Hereford officers cap badge without scroll, officers collar badge with T below;

photos of Hertfordshire regiment men showing battalion and company badges;

Cambridgeshire officers collar badge;

photos of Monmouthshire regiment men showing badges;

photos of 1/1st & 2/1st HAC showing cloth battalion badges;

photos of 1/5th, 1/6th, 1/7th, 1/8th & 1/9th A&SH showing battalion badges or examples of the badges;

1/4th & 10th CH photo showing battalion badges;

photos showing 1/4th, 1/5th & 1/6th GH showing battalion badges.

Any help gratefully appreciated.

[FROGSMILE]

Cambridgeshire Regiment Officers collar badge service dress bronze and full dress silver (the latter had no title scroll).

 

Edited 3 May , 2023 by FROGSMILE

[poona guard]

Brilliant, thanks.

[FROGSMILE]

Herefordshire Regiment initial pattern officers insignia, cap and collar.

Edited 3 May , 2023 by FROGSMILE

[FROGSMILE]

Monmouthshire.

[Mike_H]

Dave

Attached for your use if needed. you may have the Herts one already.  

Mike

Edited 4 May , 2023 by Mike_H

[poona guard]

17 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

Herefordshire Regiment initial pattern officers insignia, cap and collar.

ThANKS FOR THESE.

10 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

Monmouthshire.

Could I use these without getting into trouble?

[poona guard]

4 hours ago, Mike_H said:

Dave

Attached for your use if needed. you may have the Herts one already.  

Mike

Thanks for these Mike, especially the Monmouth

[FROGSMILE]

3 minutes ago, poona guard said:

ThANKS FOR THESE.

Could I use these without getting into trouble?

I don’t see why not, they’re in the public domain and I can’t see any bar. 

[poona guard]

4 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:

I don’t see why not, they’re in the public domain and I can’t see any bar. 

Okay, thanks. Where are they from?

[FROGSMILE]

18 minutes ago, poona guard said:

Okay, thanks. Where are they from?

I’ll pm you.  The one enclosed is here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=449947.0

You could also ask @stiletto_33853 who has some superb London Irish photos.  

Edited 4 May , 2023 by FROGSMILE

[max7474]

Interesting that he has a white metal cap badge - post war TF summer camp perhaps?

[FROGSMILE]

On 04/05/2023 at 18:00, FROGSMILE said:

I’ll pm you.  The one enclosed is here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=449947.0

You could also ask @stiletto_33853 who has some superb London Irish photos.  

Not necessarily max, it seems that both badges were used simultaneously.  The two photos below were taken quite close together.  Notice also the inconsistency with buttons despite the location being in London.

Edited 5 May , 2023 by FROGSMILE

[max7474]

Unless they have been polished back to brass of course?  I considered that the change to w/m was on the move of the  London Irish to become a TF battalion of the RUR in the 1930's.

[FROGSMILE]

11 minutes ago, max7474 said:

Unless they have been polished back to brass of course?  I considered that the change to w/m was on the move of the  London Irish to become a TF battalion of the RUR in the 1930's.

It’s a difficult call.  The first photo from ‘rootschat’ above seems a very pale shade typical of white metal.  I imagine that the B&CMBF will have the badge specifications and associated dates listed in a thread somewhere.  Julian Bowsher will probably know.

Edited 6 May , 2023 by FROGSMILE

[max7474]

From the B&CMBF:

White metal version is Sealed Pattern Number 3796 sealed 16/05/1923 [source WO 359 VOL 18 p65].

Blackened brass SPN 9036 on 24/07/1916 [source WO 359 VOL. 16 p24]

 

Edited 6 May , 2023 by max7474

[FROGSMILE]

8 hours ago, max7474 said:

From the B&CMBF:

White metal version is Sealed Pattern Number 3796 sealed 16/05/1923 [source WO 359 VOL 18 p65].

Blackened brass SPN 9036 on 24/07/1916 [source WO 359 VOL. 16 p24]

 

Thank you Max, it looks like the images show a highly polished brass badge then, as they were all photos taken during WW1. 

Edited 6 May , 2023 by FROGSMILE

[poona guard]

As it was during the war they tok what they were given?

[FROGSMILE]

23 minutes ago, poona guard said:

As it was during the war they tok what they were given?

Yes, but I think there must have been an intended policy in each unit as that was common.  In some of the other, London Regiment, rifles-styled battalions, white or gilding metal badges were kept for walking out dress, and blackened badges for marching and field day order.  It was not the case in regular army rifles units though.

Edited 6 May , 2023 by FROGSMILE

[mark holden]

Private Arthur Borrowman 1/8th A&SH and his Tam o’Shanter

[mark holden]

Helmet showing Battalion signs of 1/6th Gordon Highlanders. This Helmet belonged to Private Robert Dickie.The signs are on both sides of the helmet 

[poona guard]

Seriously impressive. Thanks for sharing them with us. Where did you get the helmet?

[mark holden]

45 minutes ago, poona guard said:

Seriously impressive. Thanks for sharing them with us. Where did you get the helmet?

Hello David,

 

the helmet came out of an auction at Ripon North Yorkshire. Arthur Borrowman’s items were an eBay purchase.

[poona guard]

Okay to use them in the book?

[mark holden]

12 minutes ago, poona guard said:

Okay to use them in the book?

Yes of course David no problem at all