OttomanSipahi Posted 28 April , 2023 Share Posted 28 April , 2023 Hi all, i am new to the forum. İ hope it isn't rude to start right off with a help question? İ am collecting WW1 Central Powers badges, pins and medals. İ have bought one from eBay but apart from the text and the 4 Kaiser Bund portrets i have difficulty in identifying the commanders on the opposite side of the medal. İt looks like Conrad von Hötzendorf? Von Mackensen? The Bulgarian general could ve Toshev? And the Ottoman Hilmi Pasha? İ am sure there are experts here who can help me. İ have searched the internet but failed to find a source on this medal. İt is a big medal about 33mm diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttomanSipahi Posted 28 April , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 April , 2023 Or perhaps this should go to the uniforms and batches page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 28 April , 2023 Share Posted 28 April , 2023 The first 2 Left to right, Kaiser Franz Joseph I, Kaiser Wilhelm II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aim Posted 28 April , 2023 Share Posted 28 April , 2023 "Egyesult erovel" is Hungarian for "shoulder to shoulder". I would guess it is an Austro-hungarian medal commemorating an alliance of some sort, but how official it is I wouldn't like to say. aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttomanSipahi Posted 28 April , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 April , 2023 The faces side i know it is Franz Joseph, Wilhelm, Ottoman Sultan Mehmed Reşad and Bulgarian king Ferdinand. But the other side with th standing officers i have no clue. Viribus Unitis is a common used slogan bu the Austrian-Hungarians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttomanSipahi Posted 1 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 May , 2023 No one else that has any idea who the four standing leaders are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TullochArd Posted 1 May , 2023 Share Posted 1 May , 2023 (edited) no ...... but here's one with a ribbon on ...... Edited 1 May , 2023 by TullochArd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttomanSipahi Posted 1 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 May , 2023 6 minutes ago, TullochArd said: no ...... but here's one with a ribbon on ...... İ searched on Google for similar medals with some kind of explanation but no luck. İ did find some like your example. The four standing guys certainly aint the kaisers or kings. Thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travers61 Posted 1 May , 2023 Share Posted 1 May , 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, TullochArd said: no ...... but here's one with a ribbon on ...... The ribbon this medal is attached to is the same design as the Austro-Hungarian 1873 War Medal in the traditional Hapsburg colours of Black & Yellow, so wether its a reuse of the the same design by the Austrians in 1916 or a mismatch following issue by the holder or subsequent owner..... https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/RELAWM14760?image=1 Edited 1 May , 2023 by travers61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travers61 Posted 1 May , 2023 Share Posted 1 May , 2023 online searches show the same medal (without ribbon) with the standing images named as Franz Joseph, Wilhelm, Bulgarian king Ferdinand & Ottoman Sultan Mehmed Reşad. The person second from left as we look at it could be Wilhelm. He was often photographed with his disabled left arm resting on his sword to disguise the disability, and I think I can see upturned edges to the moustache as he had. If they are the four rulers its not a good artists impression compared to the portrait side and maybe just a bad copy/casting of the original design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttomanSipahi Posted 1 May , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 May , 2023 41 minutes ago, travers61 said: online searches show the same medal (without ribbon) with the standing images named as Franz Joseph, Wilhelm, Bulgarian king Ferdinand & Ottoman Sultan Mehmed Reşad. The person second from left as we look at it could be Wilhelm. He was often photographed with his disabled left arm resting on his sword to disguise the disability, and I think I can see upturned edges to the moustache as he had. If they are the four rulers its not a good artists impression compared to the portrait side and maybe just a bad copy/casting of the original design. You might be right.. the second resembles Wilhelm. Ferdinand of Bulgaria is way of. So goes for Franz Joseph, looks more like his war minister Conrad von Hötzendorf. As for the Ottoman figure, it looks more like Yusuf İzzeddin, the heir of the Ottoman throne Thanks man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TullochArd Posted 1 May , 2023 Share Posted 1 May , 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, travers61 said: If they are the four rulers its not a good artists impression compared to the portrait side and maybe just a bad copy/casting of the original design. The medal is a zinc commemorative type similar to "souvenir" items found in UK. I agree that the representations on the back are poor but still feel they most likely representations of the Gang of Four accurately identified above and shown on the obverse. If this is the case the artist's impression of all four waistlines, particularly in the case of Mehmed Reşad, is unarguably grossly inaccurate. I'm with you on your i.d. of the ribbon on the additional example as being official and would add that there should be no way an official medal ribbon would be tolerated on this type of commemorative medal at the time. A spurious photo added on my part. Edited 2 May , 2023 by TullochArd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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